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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:09 pm

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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:52 pm

I also work with fools
I'm amazed we're not bankrupt
hard work unrewarded
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:56 pm

Hawkwing74 wrote:I also work with fools
I'm amazed we're not bankrupt
hard work unrewarded


Dude, 6-7-6
Does not a good Haiku make
You should learn to count...
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:54 pm

stop being so petty

afteralll it does not matter

this is a casual forum
have you seen it
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:15 pm

Ithkul_prime wrote:stop being so petty

afteralll it does not matter

this is a casual forum


It is not petty
To hold you to some standards
Get Hooked On Phonics!!!
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:22 pm

Here is a good one

read a book on literature

not hook on Phonics



There are no standards

What you said is fluff afterall

you are just petty.



I give no credence

to what you said because

you are just the same
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:27 pm

Ithkul_prime wrote:Here is a good one

read a book on literature

not hook on Phonics



There are no standards

What you said is fluff afterall

you are just petty.



I give no credence

to what you said because

you are just the same


Put down the crack pipe
And back away from the bag
Now...pull my finger!
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:34 pm

Ithkul defends me :-?
Zootech, so petty today :evil:
needs to watch some pr0n. :P
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:37 pm

just like I said today,

Zootech is petty with bad humor

thinks he is the norm
have you seen it
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:16 pm

Speaking of the fluff
Don't post if you can't make sense
My eyes are burning
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:35 pm

But fluff means

crap worthless garbage

so be quiet
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:46 pm

FroBozz_Inc wrote:Speaking of the fluff
Don't post if you can't make sense
My eyes are burning


haha!!! :lol:

Because of Ithkul
I've used a lot of duct tape
Lest my brain go POP! :o
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:48 pm

ZooTech wrote:
FroBozz_Inc wrote:Speaking of the fluff
Don't post if you can't make sense
My eyes are burning


haha!!! :lol:

Because of Ithkul
I've used a lot of duct tape
Lest my brain go POP! :o


well then, comedian

does this help you relaese tension

like a waterfall :D
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:49 pm

3-7-5, huh?
Ikthul cannot write haikus
illiterate fool.


I suppose posting
good haikus requires skill
Ikthul seems to lack.

6-7-8 ugh.
Ikthul is getting much worse
Can't count or can't read?
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:52 pm

Forge wrote:3-7-5, huh?
Ikthul cannot write haikus
illiterate fool.


I suppose posting
good haikus requires skill
Ikthul seems to lack.


well then technically I am correct. recount what I wrote. ahahah, You only know one type of haiku.. but there are many. Form is not neccessarily good in poetry.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:55 pm

Forge wrote:3-7-5, huh?
Ikthul cannot write haikus
illiterate fool.


I suppose posting
good haikus requires skill
Ikthul seems to lack.

6-7-8 ugh.
Ikthul is getting much worse
Can't count or can't read?


I should defend him
because he defended me
the plural: haiku
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:06 pm

Hawkwing74 wrote:I should defend him
because he defended me
the plural: haiku


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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:11 pm

LOL it is so sad
but deep in my heart of hearts
I am a post whore.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:13 pm

Well, then lets talk Haiku poems with substance with reguard to form.

Matsuo Basho (1640-1694?)

Heat-Lightning streak-

through darkness pierces

the Heron's Shriek

or his other Haiku poem


In the old stone pool


In the old stone pool

A frogjump:

Splushhhh.

neither of these poems even follow your form.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:14 pm

Hawkwing74 wrote:LOL it is so sad
but deep in my heart of hearts
I am a post whore.

Of that we are sure.
Post counts speak many volumes.
Numbers do not lie.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:16 pm

Ithkul_prime wrote:Well, then lets talk Haiku poems with substance with reguard to form.

Matsuo Basho (1640-1694?)

Heat-Lightning streak-

through darkness pierces

the Heron's Shriek

or his other Haiku poem


In the old stone pool


In the old stone pool

A frogjump:

Splushhhh.

neither of these poems even follow your form.


They did in the Japanese, didn't they? Maybe not, I can't remember.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:17 pm

What you call a haiku is very far from what is means.
Haiku means "beginning verse", and it does not have to follow the 17 syllabe structure. wihcih is the opnly prerequiste for a haiku. not the 5-7-5, it can be 1-15-1 also well if form is maintained.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:17 pm

mattsteg wrote:
Of that we are sure.
Post counts speak many volumes.
Numbers do not lie.

Mattsteg posts not quite
so many as Hawkwing does
Is he a post slut? :)
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:18 pm

Hawkwing74 wrote:
Ithkul_prime wrote:Well, then lets talk Haiku poems with substance with reguard to form.

Matsuo Basho (1640-1694?)

Heat-Lightning streak-

through darkness pierces

the Heron's Shriek

or his other Haiku poem


In the old stone pool


In the old stone pool

A frogjump:

Splushhhh.

neither of these poems even follow your form.


They did in the Japanese, didn't they? Maybe not, I can't remember.


Not even in the orignal text that even had less than the 17 syllables.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:24 pm

Ithkul_prime wrote:
Not even in the orignal text that even had less than the 17 syllables.

of course there are variations, just like there are lots of variations in English poetry.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:04 pm

What you call a haiku is very far from what is means.
Haiku means "beginning verse", and it does not have to follow the 17 syllabe structure. wihcih is the opnly prerequiste for a haiku. not the 5-7-5, it can be 1-15-1 also well if form is maintained.



Neither of your haiku were 17 syllables at all. Want to try again?

Just what exactly makes a haiku, oh sage master?
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:22 pm

Forge wrote:
What you call a haiku is very far from what is means.
Haiku means "beginning verse", and it does not have to follow the 17 syllabe structure. wihcih is the opnly prerequiste for a haiku. not the 5-7-5, it can be 1-15-1 also well if form is maintained.



Neither of your haiku were 17 syllables at all. Want to try again?

Just what exactly makes a haiku, oh sage master?


The mighty point was, to consider that the 2 example haikus are

variations on the accepted standard. They are poems, Poetry should

never be treated as prose(normal writting). The 5-7-5 argument is only a

extension of prose. Poetry has a far more fluid form or even no

form. So, if grammar comes into play in a poem, please remember

poetic liesnce. :D
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:33 pm

Ithkul_prime wrote:
Forge wrote:
What you call a haiku is very far from what is means.
Haiku means "beginning verse", and it does not have to follow the 17 syllabe structure. wihcih is the opnly prerequiste for a haiku. not the 5-7-5, it can be 1-15-1 also well if form is maintained.



Neither of your haiku were 17 syllables at all. Want to try again?

Just what exactly makes a haiku, oh sage master?


The mighty point was, to consider that the 2 example haikus are

variations on the accepted standard. They are poems, Poetry should

never be treated as prose(normal writting). The 5-7-5 argument is only a

extension of prose. Poetry has a far more fluid form or even no

form. So, if grammar comes into play in a poem, please remember

poetic liesnce. :D

Not all poetry is haiku. A large portion of poetry is *much* more structured than most prose. Rules determine the type of poem. You can write something that is haiku-like but does not follow haiku rules. It's still poetry, but not strictly haiku.

Now then, let's relax,
write non-imposted haiku
and enjoy the peace.
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:34 pm

Ithkul_prime wrote:The mighty point was, to consider that the 2 example haikus are variations on the accepted standard. The 5-7-5 argument is only a extension of prose. Poetry has a far more fluid form or even no form. So, if grammar comes into play in a poem, please remember poetic liesnce. :D


Christ Almighty....

Wrong.

There is no "variation on the accepted standard." If there is a variation, its not a haiku. Its a regular poem.

1. A Japanese lyric verse form having three unrhymed lines of five, seven, and five syllables, traditionally invoking an aspect of nature or the seasons.
2. A poem written in this form.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=haiku

The 5-7-5 is what makes it a haiku. If it doesn't follow the 5-7-5, its NOT a haiku. If it has a 1-15-1, its NOT a haiku. If it rhymes, its NOT a haiku. The 2 examples are NOT haiku's. They're poems. Everything else is just a poem. It can be a poem and not be a haiku.

And I don't even like poetry!
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Postposted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:37 pm

Mostly true idchafee but not quite true. One of Ithkul's posts was actually correct. Basho wrote haiku that were not standard and he's considered one of the greatest who ever lived at it.
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