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The guy at the gun counter at the range wasn't impressed by the quality of feel of the mini Rugers.

My wife and I both got Sig P938's after shooting the P238's and a bunch of other subcompact guns. Even though it's a little heavier than the others, because it's an all metal frame, we really liked the feel of it, and both had better target groupings than with several of the other mini pistols. Of course, we're both 1911 fans, so it was a natural fit.

I have to admit to not trying the LCRx, and it's worth a shot. But you might also giver the P238 or P938 a look.

*that* looks pretty much like my perfect carry revolver I would like one that had a 6 shot cylinder with a 4" barrel too


I'm not going to replace my SR9c with it but damn, that seems like a nice option.

elmopuddy wrote:

Also ordered stainless guide rods for my 2 CZ75's.. shame on CZ on cheaping out on such things!

Have you ever had a failure due to the plastic guide rods? I know I know, Vrock is arguing in favor of something plastic! Seriously though, the US Military uses a plastic guide rod on the M9, and the CZ-75 has had one for years and years. They work just fine, they're cheap, and they save a bit of weight vs. metal. Unless you deliberately try to bend them, they'll probably last longer than you will.

Buub wrote:

The guy at the gun counter at the range wasn't impressed by the quality of feel of the mini Rugers.

I'm not sure what quality of feel means, but I feel like the guy at the gun counter is smoking crack, like most guys at the gun counter are wont to do. The LCR has one of the best double action triggers out there, and the original guns sent to reviewers shot well over 10,000 rounds without going out of time or lockup. Ruger is one of those rare exceptions to the old "you get what you pay for" adage.

Buub wrote:

My wife and I both got Sig P938's after shooting the P238's and a bunch of other subcompact guns. Even though it's a little heavier than the others, because it's an all metal frame, we really liked the feel of it, and both had better target groupings than with several of the other mini pistols. Of course, we're both 1911 fans, so it was a natural fit.

Sig makes a fine pistol and always has, you made a good choice. Just make sure you train, train, train with that single action micro pistol.

Buub wrote:

I have to admit to not trying the LCRx, and it's worth a shot. But you might also giver the P238 or P938 a look.

I've fired a friend's P238 before and it shot and handled well.

Vrock wrote:

Buub wrote:

The guy at the gun counter at the range wasn't impressed by the quality of feel of the mini Rugers.

I'm not sure what quality of feel means, but I feel like the guy at the gun counter is smoking crack, like most guys at the gun counter are wont to do. The LCR has one of the best double action triggers out there, and the original guns sent to reviewers shot well over 10,000 rounds without going out of time or lockup. Ruger is one of those rare exceptions to the old "you get what you pay for" adage.

"Quality of feel" most likely meant he wasn't getting a spiff on the Rugers.

paulWTAMU wrote:

*that* looks pretty much like my perfect carry revolver I would like one that had a 6 shot cylinder with a 4" barrel too

I'd love a 5 shot in .44 Special with a 3" (that sucker would BARK!), or a 6 shot in .327 Federal Magnum with a 3" barrel myself. But as is, this is pretty much the perfect "camping" revolver and should be hella fun to shoot at the range. My wife's arms get tired handling my Ruger GP 100 6", but this little guy is almost the perfect balance between recoil and weight.

Vrock wrote:

paulWTAMU wrote:

*that* looks pretty much like my perfect carry revolver I would like one that had a 6 shot cylinder with a 4" barrel too

I'd love a 5 shot in .44 Special with a 3" (that sucker would BARK!)

Have to look for flammables downrange to be safe with that.

Vrock wrote:

elmopuddy wrote:

Also ordered stainless guide rods for my 2 CZ75's.. shame on CZ on cheaping out on such things!

Have you ever had a failure due to the plastic guide rods? I know I know, Vrock is arguing in favor of something plastic! Seriously though, the US Military uses a plastic guide rod on the M9, and the CZ-75 has had one for years and years. They work just fine, they're cheap, and they save a bit of weight vs. metal. Unless you deliberately try to bend them, they'll probably last longer than you will.

actually the one on my new CZ is not quite straight... i don't mind a few grams of extra weight

Does it work? Just saying. But, suit yourself.

Captain Ned wrote:

Vrock wrote:

paulWTAMU wrote:

*that* looks pretty much like my perfect carry revolver I would like one that had a 6 shot cylinder with a 4" barrel too

I'd love a 5 shot in .44 Special with a 3" (that sucker would BARK!)

Have to look for flammables downrange to be safe with that.

Heh, they aren't quite that bad. But yeah, it's fun.

Vrock wrote:

Captain Ned wrote:

Have to look for flammables downrange to be safe with that.

Heh, they aren't quite that bad. But yeah, it's fun.

At least everyone on the range knows you're there.

locally at leasat .44 special is insanely pricey or I'd be there with you. Ditto the .327. I like fairly standard and available and affordable ammo.


I just get so damn tired of all the BS gimmicky revolvers, but I also blanch at the 800ish the Redhawks go for (and S&W are way worse).

For the price of a few boxes of 44 special ammo, you can buy a single stage press and dies. Just saying.

Load for your revolver from the couch: $50
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/650614 ... -press-kit

Or, buy this entry level bench mounted press for $28:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/807734 ... uctFinding

Add priming: $13
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=ram+prime

Add dies for $32, complete with shell holder and powder dipper:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/703076 ... uctFinding

This setup works fine for those on a budget who only load small batches of pistol ammo.

Vrock wrote:

Load for your revolver from the couch: $50
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/650614 ... -press-kit

Or, buy this entry level bench mounted press for $28:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/807734 ... uctFinding

Add priming: $13
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=ram+prime

Add dies for $32, complete with shell holder and powder dipper:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/703076 ... uctFinding

This setup works fine for those on a budget who only load small batches of pistol ammo.

I'll check that out at home (gun related sites blocked at office!), may be exactly what I need to start.. I have a couple thousand brass all sorted and ready to go.

Any of you tried a PPQ M1 or M2? I have a lead on a sweet deal on a 5" M2... 'net reviews seem to be quite positive..

Friend of mine had the ppq m2. Ugly. Good pistol, one of the better feeling plastic striker fired guns. Good trigger with short reset. Extra magazines are expensive.

Vrock wrote:

Friend of mine had the ppq m2. Ugly. Good pistol, one of the better feeling plastic striker fired guns. Good trigger with short reset. Extra magazines are expensive.

Thanks Vrock, that's what I thought.. I actually think its purty compared to a Glock

most things are.

paulWTAMU wrote:

most things are.

+1

So I thought in a semi-auto pistol, a heavier bullet produces less felt recoil, and the opposite in a revolver... was I drunk when I learnt that??

elmopuddy wrote:

So I thought in a semi-auto pistol, a heavier bullet produces less felt recoil, and the opposite in a revolver... was I drunk when I learnt that??

force = mass x acceleration. The law of equal forces says that the force pushing the projectile forward is equal to the force pushing the firearm backward. A heavier firearm with have less perceived recoil due to the increased mass. A heavier projectile, depending on powder load, may or may not.

which is why I've never understood featherweight magnum rifles. I mean, 300 mags kick already, but then making the rifle weigh 6 lbs? OW

elmopuddy wrote:

So I thought in a semi-auto pistol, a heavier bullet produces less felt recoil, and the opposite in a revolver... was I drunk when I learnt that??

No, but whoever taught you that was probably drunk.

LFK is on point. You can look at foot-pounds of common loads to get an idea which will recoil more. The higher the foot-pounds, the more felt recoil.

Revolvers of equivalent weight to semi-autos generally give more felt recoil since none of the energy is used in cycling the weapon.

which is why I want a Coonan Arms handgun so bad. 1911 style, chambered in .357...ought to make the recoil nice and managable. they get great reviews too....problem is they start at about 1400 bucks

Even with hot 158gr loads, the recoil from my Ruger GP-100 is very manageable. Hot loads through my Delta Elite 10mm, on the other hand, are not pleasant. That being said, if you really want .357 ballistics (or better) from a semi auto, the Delta 10mm or one of the Witness models is a better choice than shoehorning an overly long, rimmed revolver cartridge into a semi auto. Cheaper too.

See, I thought the .357 sig round was supposed to be close? and the ballastics I looked up seemed impressive. If I had it to do over again, I might have gone with that for my CCW and my house gun, but oh well. I'm not dropping the money to replace what I have for a minor upgrade.

I did sell my single shot rifle so now I'm looking at what handgun to buy with the money. I'm kind of holding off on rifles. It'll sound ghoulish but grandpa's got 6-7 nice rifles so my brother and I are probably to split them up when he passes. So I'll just wait a bit on those. But now...a full size 9mm, a .357 revolver, or a subcompact 9mm for easier carry? Choices, choices

If you don't have a full size .357 revolver... you're missing some fun.. I giggle every time I shoot my 686+ 7"

http://www.amarillofirearms.com/product ... blue-steel

or

http://www.amarillofirearms.com/product ... ued-finish

I wish I could trust Taurus because they have some nice looking ones...but so many horror stories

I've never seen a Taurus in real life, only handled Ruger and S&W.. I chose the S&W cuz it felt better in my hands.