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If you are a female and read the first post in this thread, I think a simple "yes" would have answered the guy's question. There's no need for argument here.
Tesserae, the gist of your latest post (and please correct me if I'm reading this incorrectly) seems to be that people should never say (or do, presumably) anything that could potentially offend someone else, since they have no way of knowing what other people would consider offensive.
So...now we've gone from LAN gamers saying "I oWN J00, Bitch!" after laying the smack down to Fathers having sex with their Daughters?!? And the linking-thread is Talking Smack?!?
If your contention is that I shouldn't ever say "bitch" because (amongst other things) it brings back traumatic rape-memories, could you not also argue that I should never say "Gotcha!" because someone may have memories of being kidnapped by sex trafficers and when they did, they yelled "Gotcha" as they grabbed him / her?
You're reading it a bit too strictly, I think; my statement was that intentionally derisive and deprecatory behavior is not just "no more and no less than boorish" - it is likely to actively hurt people, even if that's not expected (imagine: behaving intentionally in a knowingly hurtful way and not expecting to hurt someone!). If you don't mind hurting people, then be my guest; bash away like a bull in a china shop. Just don't be surprised when you receive the bill for damages.
But remember, it's difficult to argue that no harm is intended when you've already admitted that taunting is intended to be offensive and degrading, and is deliberately used to get under your opponent's skin (those are all words taken directly from posts by lenzenm, St. Babu and Princess Die; I'm not making this up!). So you want to be intentionally offensive and degrading, and to get under their skin - and yet not <i>actually</i> hurt them? My, what precision control! Were that <i>I</i> had such command of the English language and deep insight into peoples' inner responses!
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary:
Ad hominem Ad hom"i*nem [L., to the man.]
A phrase applied to an appeal or argument addressed to the principles, interests, or passions of a man.
No, I wasn't misapprehending you, I was just remarking at a high level about the play and escalation of terms, from smack-talk to incest. I was quite amused actually.
I simply reject it completely. Do you understand that? Along with grasping that doing so does not make me a "bad person"
You seem to be incapable of apprehending that what you may consider vicious, others may consider good sport
If you are at a LAN party for instance, "appropriately" may mean you should immediately call the police, fire department, respective NAACP/NOW/GLAAD chapter and have the offender forced into "sensitivity" re-education
It may also mean you kindly tell them to STFU, offer to "discuss" what they said
Consider: you're saying that players shouldn't verbally abuse each other. Fine. Should they, then, avoid killing each other in a game of Quake 3?
Again, I think you're taking how people act <i>in a game</i> entirely too seriously.
It could be that I'm too thick-skinned to judge this sort of thing, however.
On 2002-03-17 02:43, Tesserae wrote:Consider: you're saying that players shouldn't verbally abuse each other. Fine. Should they, then, avoid killing each other in a game of Quake 3?
The distinction you fail to make is that you're <i>not</i> killing the opponent in the game - you're killing an onscreen atavar. Whereas the person you are insulting and verbally abusing is in fact the human person of your opponent. The distinction is critical, is it not?
Again, I think you're taking how people act <i>in a game</i> entirely too seriously.
<i>Who</i> is taking this so seriously? I'm not - sometimes I have to stop typing until the laughter subsides. This whole thread arose because I had the audacity to suggest that some women might be put off by gamer chest-thumping behavior, and most everyone is piling on to convince me of my grevous error (but for those who actually <i>get it</i>, that is).
It could be that I'm too thick-skinned to judge this sort of thing, however.
Ah. That might be worth your time to ponder further. <--(more etc. here)
On 2002-03-17 03:01, TwoFer wrote:
Princess Die and Derek Anderson: Oh, I get it now! Damage has influence over your behavior without complaint because he actually has power over you -- while a woman who raises an eyebrow at your behavior is powerless, and therefore can be safely ignored!
It's so clear now!
On 2002-03-17 13:13, hoser wrote:
Just a question for you Tessarae:
Would you join a hockey game(or any other physical sport)and expect all the other players to treat you nicer. I think not.
On 2002-03-17 21:33, Speed wrote:
I guess you missed the part about organized sports, rules and unsportsmanlike conduct. I'll summarize it for you: Organized sports are played with rules that promote fair competition. Since most sports recognize that it's game-play, and not a real-life Mad Max movie, the rules prohibit unsportsmanlike conduct. In other words, organized sports are for recreation, and not for the personality flaws of jerks.
If your contention is that I shouldn't ever say "bitch" because (amongst other things) it brings back traumatic rape-memories, could you not also argue that I should never say "Gotcha!" because someone may have memories of being kidnapped by sex trafficers and when they did, they yelled "Gotcha" as they grabbed him / her?
This is even farther than Princess Die goes - you deliberately use racist, sexist and otherwise derogatory terms against your fellow gamers, for the admitted purpose of causing emotional reactions to further your game (apart from merely enhancing your victory dance on their bones), and you want to make this out to be the equivalent of saying "gotcha?"