Glorious wrote:Flying Fox, who lives in Canada as well, doesn't seem to agree with your characterization.
We were never really in contradiction with one another. Flying Fox was pointing out that Telus is considered one of the "big 3". While Telus' market share is only slightly behind Bell for Canada overall, I was speaking about Ontario. Yes, since Telus' aquisition of Clearnet 10 years ago, they have had a strong foothold in Ontario, but are behind the other two in market share in Eastern Canada. This is an assumption based on the fact that if Telus was not behind Rogers and Bell in Ontario, with it's market share in the West, it would have to be number 2 or number 1 overall, not number 3. (I can't find stats on market share for Ontario, only Canada overall)
But this is largely a red herring. The clout of Rogers and Bell in the Canadian wireless market doesn't only come from their WIRELESS market share. These companies are media giants. They are not only the largest wireless cariers, they are of the largest cable television and ISP and telecommunications (sure, Bell may have a smaller market share in cable TV and Rogers may have a smaller share in home phone services, but overall, this stands). They (especially Bell) have used this clout to influence the CRTC (independent body for the regulation of telecommunications and broadcasting policy) to restrict competition by baring international competitors and promoting/sustaining other antitrust-esque policies. (The only reason we have internationally owned wireless companies and networks finally in Canada is because, in 2009, the Feds took it upon themselves to overule the CRTC - a rare precident - to allow international competition)... This is to say that the anti-competative climate - as it exists - for wireless plans in Canada is very much attributable to the collusions of companies like Rogers and Bell, regardless of how much market share Telus has in Ontario.
Glorious wrote:First off, it was my understanding that Canada didn't want to open itself up to foreign phone companies. So you have a difference there, immediately.
They didn't. Largely due to the influence of companies such as Bell and Rogers, the CRTC tried to keep foreign owned wireless out of Canada. The Feds had to step in and overule this in 2009.
Well, we really don't know what the CBC is referring to as "mid-range cell-phone plan". There have been other reports indicating that, when you factor in exactly how much Canadians pay per minute of air-time and kb of data, etc, Canadians pay more. Here is a more detailed summary report:http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/10/18/repor ... -wireless/
Glorious wrote:Compare Germany with Canada. They have "more" incentive to be competitive, but yet the costs are VERY similiar.
No. see above link. (this is assuming that Germany is simimlar to other European countries with similar wireless carrier climates - look at the UK)
Glorious wrote:What I'm trying to tell that you can't just assume that the grass is greener on the other side. I have EVIDENCE that it is not.
I agree 100%. But I am not just assuming. I also have evidence (with more specific measures of actual charges). Added to this are the other similar reports over recent years and the fact that, when I have compared cell phone plans with friends in the USA, the Canadians always seem to be paying more for the identical service (if it is even available - see my previous posts on how we largely don't have unlimitted data plans or nation-wide voice calling included in our plans)
Glorious wrote:I have sources, you have assertions.
LOL. Nice one.