brucek2 wrote:Glorius, if you want to take some academic stand that says for theoretical purity Netflix ought to offer to attempt to deliver a higher bandwidth stream to all customers even despite knowing there is little chance that stream will arrive without the accompanying infrastructure they are offering at no charge to those who need it, I guess I could support you on that nitpick. However since I already can't reliably get even the lower bandwidth HD stream, it wouldn't make any real world difference to me or I suspect most cable customers.
It isn't academic at all. I am saying that the only actor in this absurd melodrama that has actually violated the vaunted and evidently sanctified concept of "Network Neutrality" at this point is, in fact, Netflix
. They were openly and unabashedly providing tiered internet service just a few months ago and no one said boo.
Meanwhile, people are frequently scaremongering about how certain big ISPs, (all of which are currently in Netflix's self-published top ten best ISP list) *might* *theoretically* violate "Network Neutrality" at some tenuous point in the future. So, onward to the barricades Interwebz!!!
And why would these ISPs do so? Because they want to make money, and we don't like them. Whereas we like Netflix and Netflix wants to make money, but like, only because they have
brucek2 wrote:But for the most part I think that complaint makes as much sense as me complaining that Netflix requires that I own a device that can display video, and a device that can decode a video signal. Those aren't arbitrary demands extorted on me via a position of superior negotiating strength (created by regulatory mono/duopoly); they are legitimate and necessary requirements in order to successfully provide the service I want.
Regulatory waaah? You mean the natural and utterly inevitable network effect
brucek2 wrote:I do not see how Netflix is violating any neutrality. They are offering the necessary hardware to support the highest stream and improve the lower ones to any willing ISP at no cost to the ISP, including for the materials, the service, or the shipping. If you can show me they are playing favorites or attaching unrelated demands to it, then maybe there's an issue to discuss.
Dude? The very concept
kills the idea of the open and "neutral" internet. Instead of going to servers on whatever external network they reside, you're saying everyone should go to servers within their own network ghetto. That isn't a neutral network, that's a network deliberately biased towards insularity, and it means we *all* suffer.
Why? Because by keeping the big bandwidth boys within the ISPs internal network, that means there is less need to develop external connections. Instead of the internet getting faster overall, to the generic benefit of everyone who uses it, it just becomes faster intra-network for the ISPs, and likely then only in a very limited (almost simplex-like) fashion.
And, what if competing companies to Netflix aren't big enough to offer or get such a deal? This idea definitionally plays favorites because only the big players can make this kind of arrangement. What you are advocating is fostering the exact antithesis of the supposed internet ideal, which everyone (falsely) thinks "network neutrality" encapsulates.
brucek2 wrote:Meanwhile as a consumer who is paying a very high price that I know contains a very high profit margin only to receive network service that would be considered very subpar in many countries supposedly less developed than my own, I remain quite offended that my cable company is trying to recharge someone else for the same bandwidth it has already sold to me, with me facing the penalty that my own bandwidth will be rendered substantially less useful if this other 3rd party doesn't pay some arbitrary cable extortion charge.
You are mistaken.
1. The comparison to other countries is almost always misleading. Make a specific claim and I'll show you how.
2. They are not "recharging" "someone else." Netflix, like you, uses the internet. They weren't born there, or independently exist there. They have servers that need to reach your devices just as your devices need to reach their servers. They don't have a special "internet hall pass" that allows them to use it for free just because they provide something you happen to want. No, they too must pay for their connection and bandwidth. And thus, they do, just like everyone else who is not a tier-1 network (like cogent or Level-3). Your ISP does not charge Netflix for the privilege of accessing your computer, Netflix pays the equivalent of their ISP to access the internet, and thus your computer.