PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more fps

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PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more fps

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:47 am

900p on PS4, 720P on XBO, higher framerate on former. However, the XBO seems to make details pop more (it's arguable they are doing this by crushing blacks though)

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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:49 am

Not really a surprise; Microsoft cut corners on the GPU & RAM to make room in the budget for the Kinect 2. Which is fine and dandy for those who play dance games & the like, but is an anti-feature for me; I got bored of motion controls with the Wii, and don't want them in my games. The Kinect 2 being present on every Xbox One will just encourage developers to use it in games that don't really need it.
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:59 am

I think Microsoft needs to do more to make the Kinect compatible with PCs and they'll survive better than Sony. The console fanboys can fight to the death, but I feel like more and more of them are realizing that there is a PC platform with almost all the perks of a console (minus the exclusives :( ), and the only downside is a price difference, which continues to shrink.
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:09 am

That's an interesting article. I wonder what sorcery MS is doing to make the details "pop" compared to the PS4 (maybe that DirectX tile mapping thing they were bragging about a while ago?). The textured details seem better on the XO, but the postprocessing and particle effects seem better on the PS4. Aside from the slight resolution bump, they seem different, not necessarily superior or inferior to one another overall. I could see the pixelation from 900p to 720p though.
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Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:18 am

Duct Tape Dude wrote:That's an interesting article. I wonder what sorcery MS is doing to make the details "pop" compared to the PS4 (maybe that DirectX tile mapping thing they were bragging about a while ago?). The textured details seem better on the XO, but the postprocessing and particle effects seem better on the PS4. Aside from the slight resolution bump, they seem different, not necessarily superior or inferior to one another overall. I could see the pixelation from 900p to 720p though.



I suspect they are compressing blacks quite a bit (as in really deep greys get output as blacks) to increase the visual popiness at the expense of natural rendering. I'm also thinking they favor deeper colors. It's like a GS4 vs an iPhone 5 screen, poppy vs natural :lol:
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Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:18 am

I dunno, looks like the PS4 one needs the gamma dropped a tiny bit and it'd look better.
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:45 am

tipoo wrote:I suspect they are compressing blacks quite a bit (as in really deep greys get output as blacks) to increase the visual popiness at the expense of natural rendering. I'm also thinking they favor deeper colors. It's like a GS4 vs an iPhone 5 screen, poppy vs natural :lol:


Oh, hm. I think you might be right. That's a very cheap way to make it look "better."

Honestly I don't think typical consumers will recognize a world-changing difference between the two. I had to actually try and discern the differences. I still think the hype, specs, and marketing will have the PS4 leading the XO by a long shot though.
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:10 am

There are those also crusading that Eurogamer is wrong and it's native 1080p on the X1.

I have no idea. I'm waiting for launch to have a proper comparison.
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:22 am

Duct Tape Dude wrote:
Oh, hm. I think you might be right. That's a very cheap way to make it look "better."

Honestly I don't think typical consumers will recognize a world-changing difference between the two. I had to actually try and discern the differences. I still think the hype, specs, and marketing will have the PS4 leading the XO by a long shot though.


In current games probably not, but it's more telling of the future. Doing about the same, while pushing 50% more pixels, while outputting a higher framerate does confirm how much extra power the PS4 has on tap, and we do know it's easily accessible to developers this time unlike the PS3. So maybe right now things will look pretty much the same, but further down the line when the consoles are starting to get maxed out, that over-50% should be pretty apparent.
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Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:30 pm

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Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:34 pm

Bauxite wrote:Radeon ~7860 gpu outperforms Radeon ~7780 gpu, news at 11.[ref]



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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:49 pm

Savyg wrote:There are those also crusading that Eurogamer is wrong and it's native 1080p on the X1.

I have no idea. I'm waiting for launch to have a proper comparison.


Digital Foundry has been dealing with these kind of comparisons for years now. If they say it's 720p, it's 720p.

The only hope Xbox One devout is that final code for BF4 or final hardware for Xbox One is somehow different than the tested pre-release items.

I sincerely doubt that's going to turn into a reality this close to release.
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:02 pm

Ryu Connor wrote:The only hope Xbox One devout is that final code for BF4 or final hardware for Xbox One is somehow different than the tested pre-release items.

I sincerely doubt that's going to turn into a reality this close to release.

While I do prefer the Xbox One I'm simply willing to wait until release to see what the situation actually is, since we've got a million people yelling very different things.

For example this dev https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent claims it's native 1080p on the X1.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is 720p or if it isn't, but I'll wait for the review on the release code.
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Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:52 pm

Yeah, if you read a little deeper into his feed you can see other major game review sites telling him he's mistaken.

Aurthur Gies from Polygon in particular also confirms the 720p Xbox One and 900p PS4. He also states that DICE has confirmed it to him.

https://twitter.com/aegies/status/395045805821657088
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/395043189364490240

Aurthur Gies wrote:Arthur Gies ‏@aegies 14h
@TheKevinDent @Talaviir no idea. this was last week. but it was confirmed to me via DICE through PR that it's 720/900p.


Edit: Dent seems to be basing his whole stance on what an Investor Relations employee said. Of course they're going to say 1080p. I'm sure the box the game ships in says 1080p too. Just like this generation we all know that using upscaling means you can say it's 1080p. Silly. I doubt Investor Relations even understands what a resolution is. "It's that their magic thing on the TV that makes it HD."
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:58 pm

Wow 720p on a AAA launch title, that has got to hurt.. I mean, if someone would ask me why they should probably buy a XBox One or PS4 instead of an 360 or PS3, I'd probably say something along the lines of "Better graphics". The graphics are way better, obviously, but it's kind of hard to convince Joe Sixpack of that when you can't even tell them it's 1080p, right? I mean, they'd say "So why did I buy a full HD TV?" and they'd be right.
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:59 pm

Firestarter wrote:Wow 720p on a AAA launch title, that has got to hurt..


Yep, that's why I find comparisons so funny. There is barely anything between the two, why even compare? If you cared about performance in the least you would be using a PC.

Of course I do realize consoles aren't bought for their performance, they're bought for their content, but it always irks me somewhat when you hear people bemoaning or exalting a console. There just isn't that big enough a difference to care either way.
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Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:10 pm

As I suspected, the XBO version was not outputting the full RGB range, compressing things into more primary colors causing details appear to pop, but actually losing detail.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... ace-off-qa
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Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:44 pm

Damn, consoles are stuck at 720p for high end games while PC is already doing 4k. :o
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Postposted on Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:04 pm

ish718 wrote:Damn, consoles are stuck at 720p for high end games while PC is already doing 4k. :o


Yeah, it's kind of sad. You'd think that they would have enforced 1080p for all titles.
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ish718 wrote:Damn, consoles are stuck at 720p for high end games while PC is already doing 4k. :o



Bear in mind there are FAR better looking games than BF4 are running native 1080p. For a launch title, I think it's just more about optimization time and budget. But the resolution and frame rate difference between the two does still speak something about their differences.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013- ... d-responds

I didn't catch this news when it broke. Looks like COD: Ghosts is 720p on the Xbox One and 1080p on the PS4
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Postposted on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:48 pm

I don't think we have to worry about consoles outperforming gaming PCs anytime soon. They may raise the bar from the 360/PS3, but they're still on the low end of gaming PCs.

Maybe the XBO/PS4 similarities to PC hardware will promote more efficiently coded/optimized PC ports....
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Postposted on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:54 pm

DPete27 wrote:Maybe the XBO/PS4 similarities to PC hardware will promote more efficiently coded/optimized PC ports....


I wont hold my breath.
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Ryu Connor wrote:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-04-xbox-one-resolutiongate-call-of-duty-ghosts-dev-infinity-ward-responds

I didn't catch this news when it broke. Looks like COD: Ghosts is 720p on the Xbox One and 1080p on the PS4

that bit about GPU resources being reserved for Kinect is interesting
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DPete27 wrote:Maybe the XBO/PS4 similarities to PC hardware will promote more efficiently coded/optimized PC ports....


I wont hold my breath.


It already has- BF4 is a good example, in how it uses resources compared to BF3.
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Postposted on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:14 pm

What we really need is a fierce rivalry that only cross platform multiplayer between the XB1 & PC could bring. Imagine the 12 year olds bragging about being part of the superior pc master race and such.
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Postposted on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:35 pm

madmanmarz wrote:What we really need is a fierce rivalry that only cross platform multiplayer between the XB1 & PC could bring. Imagine the 12 year olds bragging about being part of the superior pc master race and such.


Every time they try that, feelings wind up getting hurt :D.
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Postposted on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:36 pm

Airmantharp wrote:
tanker27 wrote:
DPete27 wrote:Maybe the XBO/PS4 similarities to PC hardware will promote more efficiently coded/optimized PC ports....


I wont hold my breath.


It already has- BF4 is a good example, in how it uses resources compared to BF3.


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I am skeptical about BF4's netcode as I was with BF3. Its terrible and feels like its held together with duct tape and bubble gum.
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Postposted on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:31 pm

tanker27 wrote:/Web Dev observation
I am skeptical about BF4's netcode as I was with BF3. Its terrible and feels like its held together with duct tape and bubble gum.
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Compared to what exactly? Prior to the BF4 release I was playing PlanetSide 2 mostly and the hit detection and rubber banding that is a reality in PS2 hasn't been an issue for me in BF4. I've been quite surprised by the lack of lag with BF4. Now, if only I could solve my crashing and intermittent audio issues.
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Re: PS4 and XBO BF4 comparison is out - 50% more pixels/more

Postposted on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:36 pm

There are more issues than just lag. How about how long it takes to connect to a game. Or even why it doesn't update stats more frequently. Or even how your battlelog seems to be incorrect compared to when you are connected and in game.
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