Personal computing discussed
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Captain Ned wrote:Even if someone knew your behind-the-router private IP address, no self-respecting backbone router would pass the traffic through.
just brew it! wrote:Even a crappy "Wal-Mart special" router should know better than to pass it through...
notfred wrote:Actually routers typically will pass bogons as there are some ISPs that use NAT within the ISP and hand out private IP addresses to their customers.
notfred wrote:I'll take off my Cisco hat now that we've probably confused the OP
just brew it! wrote:notfred wrote:Actually routers typically will pass bogons as there are some ISPs that use NAT within the ISP and hand out private IP addresses to their customers.
Oh, yuck... I hadn't thought of that. But in that situation the WAN port of the router would still need to be on a different private subnet from the LAN side, so the router should still be able to block the unwanted traffic... right?
just brew it! wrote:Yup, different subnets on different network segments otherwise all kinds of profanities ensueBut in that situation the WAN port of the router would still need to be on a different private subnet from the LAN side, so the router should still be able to block the unwanted traffic... right?
canoli wrote:Yes, leave it setup that way. There may be some stuff that will later require a little tweak to some of the router settings (you may need to setup some port forwarding for some games or things like that) but it should be fine for most of what you want to do.So once I've got my assortment of AV / SW stuff installed, should I leave it that way? plugged in through the router?
canoli wrote:There's actually surprisingly little done to prevent hostile traffic. Given the efforts that some ISPs spend throttling / blocking Peer-to-Peer traffic such as BitTorrent, they could definitely do a lot more. However it's not really popular to call up your customers and tell them you are disconnecting their service because their PC is a SPAM spewing zombie and contributing to a DDoS attack. You get more money by keeping them connected and selling them an AV solution. At the very least if every ISP implemented unicast Reverse Path Forwarding (i.e. packets should only come from a potential path that you could send it) it would prevent spoofing of addresses. This uses up more processing power in the router (an extra lookup step is required) so may require them to buy bigger faster routers.I assume my ISP has some sort of ... something ... to keep the really evil stuff from taking over their customers' machines.
my question is a basic one to understand what's possible - can a "router" (Netgear Wireless G WGR614) give her wireless service throughout our apartment, but also still keep me connected wired? (ugh, horrible english but hopefully you understood!)
canoli wrote:my question is a basic one to understand what's possible - can a "router" (Netgear Wireless G WGR614) give her wireless service throughout our apartment, but also still keep me connected wired? (ugh, horrible english but hopefully you understood!)
canoli wrote:I have to say though - I'm just beginning to read networking stuff - the forums, the websites, mags, etc. and it seems like every router out there has major problems...Brand X gets reviewed, the reviewer likes it - and then there are 90 comments all saying the thing sucks! it's crazy.
canoli wrote:hey JBI - I've got a "v7" - so that's just a newer revision then you think? ...which should mean I can expect better performance?
canoli wrote:I have to say though - I'm just beginning to read networking stuff - the forums, the websites, mags, etc. and it seems like every router out there has major problems...Brand X gets reviewed, the reviewer likes it - and then there are 90 comments all saying the thing sucks! it's crazy.
Captain Ned wrote:Stick with something that can run the DD-WRT or Tomato open source firmwares. I'm using a Linksys WRT54GL with Tomato and am very happy. No N, but I have no need for N.
This Asus gets good press, runs DD-WRT, and has a built-in USB print server.
Kurotetsu wrote:Interesting. I've been looking for a router with a built-in BitTorrent client. That it supports DD-WRT is a plus. Any idea how well it handles BT?
canoli wrote:Actually I thought most builders always downloaded the patches using a different machine - put them on a CD / USB key and then patched the new machine that way. But nobody seems to suggest that method anymore. Maybe nowadays you have to be connected to the MS Update site?
canoli wrote:oh -one more thing if you would - I see my BIOS vers is 1.1 and there's a 1.3 available on MSI's site - should I update the BIOS before I do anything else? There isn't much of a description, just 2 short lines about "- Update CPU micro code" and "Improved memory compatibility." I know they say not to update your BIOS unless you have to but since this is a new machine, maybe I should?