Personal computing discussed
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blazer_123 wrote:Either way Apple is screwing their customers and their customers are gullible enough to believe it is in their own interest!
tanker27 wrote:Thats fine. My contention is Flash is bloat-ware no matter how many wrappers you put it through. It a resource hog. you have to agree on that.
Sunburn74 wrote:To me the issue is how freaking paternalistic apple is being. It's a matter of principle really. The approach that Steve Jobs knows whats right for the consumer and not the consumer himself just stands against everything I've come to believe. I'm training to be a doctor, a profession where the doctor knows infinitely more about the condition a patient suffer's from. Yet at the end of it all, despite having significantly more insight about the disease and it's treatment options in pretty much everyway, the doctor always always concedes that ultimately the patient knows whats best for them and must present ALL options.
Apple however takes a completely different approach, preferring to simply tell you what they want for you and if you don't like it get lost. They are inflexible concerning everything.
tanker27 wrote:Sunburn74 wrote:To me the issue is how freaking paternalistic apple is being. It's a matter of principle really. The approach that Steve Jobs knows whats right for the consumer and not the consumer himself just stands against everything I've come to believe. I'm training to be a doctor, a profession where the doctor knows infinitely more about the condition a patient suffer's from. Yet at the end of it all, despite having significantly more insight about the disease and it's treatment options in pretty much everyway, the doctor always always concedes that ultimately the patient knows whats best for them and must present ALL options.
Apple however takes a completely different approach, preferring to simply tell you what they want for you and if you don't like it get lost. They are inflexible concerning everything.
Yes it a matter or principle....As a consumer I expect a product that I pay for to work. Why berate Apple for ensuring this. If you hate Apple fine, dont buy their stuff. Apple is trying to ensure that their product works for their clientele. Its no more different than any other closed product. "I bought this GE microwave. I found this awesome operating system that turns it into a convection over but damn GE for not providing a USB port to upload it!"
What you are all hating on is the fact Apple has good hardware and you want a piece of it but cant stand that Apple locks it down. If you say anything other to that you are lying.
FubbHead wrote:Maybe Flash is doing hardware acceleration?
BoBzeBuilder wrote:FubbHead wrote:Maybe Flash is doing hardware acceleration?
Umm, no.. I'm running it on a notebook with crappy Intel graphics. Can someone tell me their experience with HTML5 and youtube?
BoBzeBuilder wrote:FubbHead wrote:Maybe Flash is doing hardware acceleration?
Umm, no.. I'm running it on a notebook with crappy Intel graphics. Can someone tell me their experience with HTML5 and youtube?
derFunkenstein wrote:Given how poorly Flash runs on the Mac, I doubt they could put out something that ran in realtime on the iPhone anyway.
tanker27 wrote:Yes it a matter or principle....As a consumer I expect a product that I pay for to work. Why berate Apple for ensuring this. If you hate Apple fine, dont buy their stuff. Apple is trying to ensure that their product works for their clientele. Its no more different than any other closed product. "I bought this GE microwave. I found this awesome operating system that turns it into a convection over but damn GE for not providing a USB port to upload it!"
What you are all hating on is the fact Apple has good hardware and you want a piece of it but cant stand that Apple locks it down. If you say anything other to that you are lying.
sschaem wrote:Why would making apps available written in C# or javascript break the device ?
Do I need to write a remote control UI using Objective C to not break the iPad ?
You analogy is not relevant.
It more like "I would like to heat up this lasagna" ....
"I cant do that Tanker27" "the lazagna contain to much sodium and its bad for you".... "Dont do that Tanker27..." "lawyers are on their way Tanker27..."
sschaem wrote:My netbook can play 720p with flash and 1080p using point filtered scaling
Skrying wrote:A number of the apps they showed at the iPhone OS 4 event were using third party frameworks that are multiplatform. Yet they're banning those apps! How does that make any sense?
Skrying wrote:Block Adobe. I couldn't care less if two companies are going at it like this. It becomes a serious issue, one where people should complain, when companies and consumers not related to Adobe or Apple are being hurt. This is just stupid and the irrationality of people supporting Apple on this matter is extremely frustrating.
End User wrote:Which apps at the iPhone OS 4 event used third party frameworks?
tanker27 wrote:B*tch all you want. It all boils down to this: Apple has a product you want but you are not willing to do what it takes to have it. So you complain about its closed-ness, its archaic rules, its roadblocks. Not everything in life is this open book mentality. There are trade offs for everything. Me, I dont care. I carefully evaluated what is offered and what I need said products to do and what I am willing to trade for it. I have lived within their restrictions pretty well and havent looked back since.
Skrying wrote:End User wrote:Which apps at the iPhone OS 4 event used third party frameworks?
Tap Tap Revenge uses LUA scripting. There are numerous other highly popular App Store games and programs that also take advantage of third party frameworks.
Skrying wrote:The ArsTechnica article I posted earlier in this thread highlights some of those and debunks the reasoning given by Steve Jobs.
End User wrote:As Jean-Louise Gassée said, "Apple is right to keep control of its platform’s future." If you think Adobe is any different then you are walking around with blinders on. Apple is basically telling developers to stop being lazy and write real iPhone/iPad apps via Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript. I wish Apple did this earlier.
tanker27 wrote:B*tch all you want. It all boils down to this: Apple has a product you want but you are not willing to do what it takes to have it. So you complain about its closed-ness, its archaic rules, its roadblocks. Not everything in life is this open book mentality. There are trade offs for everything. Me, I dont care. I carefully evaluated what is offered and what I need said products to do and what I am willing to trade for it. I have lived within their restrictions pretty well and havent looked back since.