Personal computing discussed

Moderators: renee, Flying Fox, morphine

 
whm1974
Emperor Gerbilius I
Topic Author
Posts: 6361
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 5:27 pm

From reading this off the Front Page:
http://techreport.com/blog/30075/intel- ... o-graphics
Socketed versions of these CPUs will make a good fit for the Mini-STX(5x5) form factor Intel has been promoting. Since they don't have a PCIe x16 slot for a graphics card. So why did they released 65W TDP CPUs in BGA format? This doesn't make any sense.

What do you guys think?
 
whm1974
Emperor Gerbilius I
Topic Author
Posts: 6361
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 7:44 pm

No thoughts? Surely I'm not the only who thinks Intel screwed up.
 
yogibbear
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 920
Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:30 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 7:50 pm

Maybe they are dedicated to pushing this for a future console? :/
Core i7 4770K | eVGA GTX1080 FTW ACX 3.0 | 16GB DDR3 2133mhz | Asus Z87-PLUS | Corsair HX650 | Fractal Define R4 | Samsung 840 Pro 256GB | Windows 10 x64
 
whm1974
Emperor Gerbilius I
Topic Author
Posts: 6361
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 8:04 pm

yogibbear wrote:
Maybe they are dedicated to pushing this for a future console? :/

Using the 5x5 form factor?
 
DancinJack
Maximum Gerbil
Posts: 4494
Joined: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:21 pm
Location: Kansas

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 8:17 pm

2.5 hours and bumping for responses? Sheesh dude. I know, at least for me, I was at work this "whole" time. Give people a chance to respond...
i7 6700K - Z170 - 16GiB DDR4 - GTX 1080 - 512GB SSD - 256GB SSD - 500GB SSD - 3TB HDD- 27" IPS G-sync - Win10 Pro x64 - Ubuntu/Mint x64 :: 2015 13" rMBP Sierra :: Canon EOS 80D/Sony RX100
 
The Egg
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2938
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 pm

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 8:31 pm

I'm not sure what market they're aiming for either. For starters, these chips are notably more expensive for Intel to produce. By making them BGA/embedded-only, they're cutting out most of the desktop market, yet 65W is way too high for a mobile chip. They'll almost certainly be used in iMacs and similar-type all-in-one's (as Mr Funk mentioned on the front page), but I'm not sure the market is big enough to justify the investment. Maybe they're also destined for NUCs, or some other new type of desktop segment?


yogibbear wrote:
Maybe they are dedicated to pushing this for a future console? :/

No way. The margins on console CPUs are razor-thin, plus current consoles are using weak Atom-class CPUs and large separate GPUs. The complete opposite of these.
 
whm1974
Emperor Gerbilius I
Topic Author
Posts: 6361
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 9:29 pm

The Egg wrote:
I'm not sure what market they're aiming for either. For starters, these chips are notably more expensive for Intel to produce. By making them BGA/embedded-only, they're cutting out most of the desktop market, yet 65W is way too high for a mobile chip. They'll almost certainly be used in iMacs and similar-type all-in-one's (as Mr Funk mentioned on the front page), but I'm not sure the market is big enough to justify the investment. Maybe they're also destined for NUCs, or some other new type of desktop segment?


yogibbear wrote:
Maybe they are dedicated to pushing this for a future console? :/

No way. The margins on console CPUs are razor-thin, plus current consoles are using weak Atom-class CPUs and large separate GPUs. The complete opposite of these.

NUC Steam Machine?
 
The Egg
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2938
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 pm

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 9:54 pm

whm1974 wrote:
NUC Steam Machine?

Um.....integrated graphics and no PCIe slot = perfect dedicated gaming box?

Maybe in 5 years if external GPUs take off, but that has no bearing on what they're doing now.
 
whm1974
Emperor Gerbilius I
Topic Author
Posts: 6361
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Wed May 04, 2016 10:15 pm

The Egg wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
NUC Steam Machine?

Um.....integrated graphics and no PCIe slot = perfect dedicated gaming box?

Maybe in 5 years if external GPUs take off, but that has no bearing on what they're doing now.

For LoL or WoW and other low demanding games maybe.
 
NTMBK
Gerbil XP
Posts: 371
Joined: Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:21 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 3:04 am

They're made for the iMac. Any other sales are a nice bonus.

The die is too long to fit in an LGA1151 socket.
 
blahsaysblah
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 581
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:35 pm

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 3:48 am

i7-5775R was sold by tray only versus the i7-5775C that had tray and boxed versions...
 
Firestarter
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 773
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:12 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 4:29 am

NTMBK wrote:
They're made for the iMac. Any other sales are a nice bonus.

The die is too long to fit in an LGA1151 socket.

I guess Apple didn't care to negotiate for exclusivity because they know that they really don't need it
 
NoOne ButMe
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 707
Joined: Fri May 15, 2015 9:31 pm

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 4:58 am

The Egg wrote:
yogibbear wrote:
Maybe they are dedicated to pushing this for a future console? :/

No way. The margins on console CPUs are razor-thin, plus current consoles are using weak Atom-class CPUs and large separate GPUs. The complete opposite of these.

If Intel has open fab capacity it could be viable. Don't think that them stopping paying Asus to use Atom's will change much on utilization front thou.

Problem is who would want such a setup? who besides Nintendo, Sony and MS (all captured by AMD) have console volume to make Intel even consider it?
currently running: Clevo W230SD, i7-4710MQ, 1TB SSD, 960m, win10 Pro + 1 HP Pavilion 22XI monitor and sometimes a 1080p 32" Vizio TV.
 
just brew it!
Administrator
Posts: 54500
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:51 pm
Location: Somewhere, having a beer

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 6:57 am

Gotta be aimed at high-end mobile workstations. Big-a** laptops for doing CAD work and such.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
Flatland_Spider
Graphmaster Gerbil
Posts: 1324
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:33 pm

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 8:13 am

whm1974 wrote:
No thoughts?


I think you're being rather desperate by bumping the thread.

The Egg wrote:
Maybe they're also destined for NUCs, or some other new type of desktop segment?

NTMBK wrote:
They're made for the iMac.


Yeah, they're destine for NUC like things and All-in-Ones. Zotac makes a couple of Mini PC boxes using the R chips, and I wouldn't mind if they updated them.

More then that, they need to establish themselves in the graphics arena, and this is one way to do that.

just brew it! wrote:
Gotta be aimed at high-end mobile workstations. Big-a** laptops for doing CAD work and such.


They could be; Intel has released Xeon Mobile procs. The Dell XPS 15/Precision 5500 series come to mind.
 
just brew it!
Administrator
Posts: 54500
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:51 pm
Location: Somewhere, having a beer

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 8:38 am

Flatland_Spider wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
No thoughts?

I think you're being rather desperate by bumping the thread.

Yeah, no frikkin' kidding. Posting a new thread at a time when a large percentage of TR readers are probably at work, commuting, or eating dinner, then bumping after just a couple of hours because nobody has replied, is ridiculous. Especially when the OP does nothing more than reiterate a couple of the points from the article it linked. Anyone who was surfing TR yesterday afternoon and cared enough about the topic to immediately comment on it probably posted in the article's comment section already!
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
BurntMyBacon
Gerbil
Posts: 21
Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:40 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 9:12 am

whm1974 wrote:
From reading this off the Front Page:
http://techreport.com/blog/30075/intel- ... o-graphics
Socketed versions of these CPUs will make a good fit for the Mini-STX(5x5) form factor Intel has been promoting. Since they don't have a PCIe x16 slot for a graphics card. So why did they released 65W TDP CPUs in BGA format? This doesn't make any sense.

What do you guys think?


You'll have to wait for the "C" version. Though, Intel may hold off on those until just before Kaby Lake launches.
 
whm1974
Emperor Gerbilius I
Topic Author
Posts: 6361
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 3:08 pm

BurntMyBacon wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
From reading this off the Front Page:
http://techreport.com/blog/30075/intel- ... o-graphics
Socketed versions of these CPUs will make a good fit for the Mini-STX(5x5) form factor Intel has been promoting. Since they don't have a PCIe x16 slot for a graphics card. So why did they released 65W TDP CPUs in BGA format? This doesn't make any sense.

What do you guys think?


You'll have to wait for the "C" version. Though, Intel may hold off on those until just before Kaby Lake launches.

And like Broadwell, it will be too late and hard to find.
 
the
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 941
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:26 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 4:51 pm

I don't think there will be a SkyLake 'C' part.

Rather I'd expect Kaby Lake-C or Cannon Lake-C parts to be released to consumers on socket 1151.
Dual Opteron 6376, 96 GB DDR3, Asus KGPE-D16, GTX 970
Mac Pro Dual Xeon E5645, 48 GB DDR3, GTX 770
Core i7 [email protected] Ghz, 32 GB DDR3, GA-X79-UP5-Wifi
Core i7 [email protected] Ghz, 16 GB DDR3, GTX 970, GA-X68XP-UD4
 
Vhalidictes
Gerbil Jedi
Posts: 1835
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:32 pm
Location: Paragon City, RI

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Thu May 05, 2016 4:59 pm

whm1974 wrote:
BurntMyBacon wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
From reading this off the Front Page:
http://techreport.com/blog/30075/intel- ... o-graphics
Socketed versions of these CPUs will make a good fit for the Mini-STX(5x5) form factor Intel has been promoting. Since they don't have a PCIe x16 slot for a graphics card. So why did they released 65W TDP CPUs in BGA format? This doesn't make any sense.

What do you guys think?


You'll have to wait for the "C" version. Though, Intel may hold off on those until just before Kaby Lake launches.

And like Broadwell, it will be too late and hard to find.


You forgot to add "expensive". It's cheaper to build a i7 5820-based system than a Broadwell one. Which is just sad.

We need a more effective AMD stat.
 
NovusBogus
Graphmaster Gerbil
Posts: 1408
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:37 am

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Fri May 06, 2016 12:30 am

What's the big deal? Rightly or wrongly, per the linked article Intel made a conscious strategic decision to not put Iris in Skylake desktop CPUs. Embedded systems are more than just routers and hobby electronics and there's reasons why someone might want big-boy silicon rather than an Atom or U-series, so they made this.
 
Kougar
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2306
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:12 am
Location: Texas

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Sun May 08, 2016 5:15 am

the wrote:
I don't think there will be a SkyLake 'C' part.

Rather I'd expect Kaby Lake-C or Cannon Lake-C parts to be released to consumers on socket 1151.


Hmm, after seeing your post I think I agree. It gives Intel something to do for Kaby lake as well as make for a way to distinguish as an upgrade over Skylake. Intel basically made Kaby-lake up out of thin air so they have to justify it as a successor over Skylake somehow, particularly since it won't have a process node shrink to rely on. Another 0-5% perf improvement alone won't cut it.
 
travbrad
Gerbil XP
Posts: 423
Joined: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:39 pm

Re: Sometimes Intel doesn't make any sense.

Sun May 08, 2016 2:29 pm

Kougar wrote:
the wrote:
I don't think there will be a SkyLake 'C' part.

Rather I'd expect Kaby Lake-C or Cannon Lake-C parts to be released to consumers on socket 1151.


Hmm, after seeing your post I think I agree. It gives Intel something to do for Kaby lake as well as make for a way to distinguish as an upgrade over Skylake. Intel basically made Kaby-lake up out of thin air so they have to justify it as a successor over Skylake somehow, particularly since it won't have a process node shrink to rely on. Another 0-5% perf improvement alone won't cut it.


I hope they do. It might finally be enough to convince me to upgrade my platform (mobo/CPU/RAM) that I've had since 2011. I'm mainly interested in per-core performance and that seems to be the easiest way to make gains in that area. My OCed 2500K is theoretically fast enough already, but there are still a few games that only use 1-2 cores where some extra performance would be nice
6700K @ 4.6ghz || ASUS Sabertooth Z170 S || Crucial Ballistix DDR4-2400 16GB
ASUS STRIX GTX 970 || EVGA Supernova 750W G2 || Noctua NH-D15 || Fractal Define R5
Crucial MX200 500GB || 2x WD Blue 6TB || 2x WDGreen 2TB
Philips 272G5DYEB || Dell U2312HM

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest
GZIP: On