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4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:59 am

Well... considering the source is Tom's Hardware this isn't the definitive review, but FWIW: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cor ... ,3461.html

Basic Takeaways:
1. In legacy benchmarks the 4770K is 7-13% faster than the 3770K at equivalent clocks. Not a huge surprise, and in-line with Intel's predictions. Note that we haven't really seen heavy AVX comparisons where Haswell has twice the throughput of Ivy Bridge and could get some bigger wins.

2. The 4600 GPU is about 20 - 30% faster than the 4000. It doesn't beat a 5800K desktop Trinity, but closes the gap between the desktop GPUs by a fair amount. Again, not a surprise as I have been predicting for months that desktop Haswell's IGP wouldn't beat AMD's highest-end desktop IGPs. Of course, if you are using a discrete GPU none of this matters.
One note: Also as expected, the desktop Haswell is *not* using the high-end GT3 IGP. Some notebooks will get the GT3 part, and given the performance of the GT2 parts, the GT3 should do extremely well and *will* beat mobile AMD parts by a good margin. AMD will need Kaveri to compete with the GT3 in the mobile space.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:30 am

I kinda giggle at all the people who were "waiting for Haswell" for their next upgrade. Sure it's an engineering sample, but you'd think with all those comments that even the ES would be magically delicious or something. Small gains in general performance, solid gains in an area I couldn't possibly care less about - integrated desktop graphics. Show me the GT3 part in an affordable 15" notebook and we'll talk.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:43 am

Looks like a nice upgrade for some folks but it looks like Sandy at 4.0GHz (which is a pretty easy overclock) can match a 3.5GHz Haswell chip.

Methinks I'm going to be sticking with my 2600K for quite awhile -- thank goodness! I don't think I'm going to be able to justify PC parts into the budget for a good while. :)
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:44 am

derFunkenstein wrote:I kinda giggle at all the people who were "waiting for Haswell" for their next upgrade. Sure it's an engineering sample, but you'd think with all those comments that even the ES would be magically delicious or something. Small gains in general performance, solid gains in an area I couldn't possibly care less about - integrated desktop graphics. Show me the GT3 part in an affordable 15" notebook and we'll talk.


I'm waiting for Haswell... but it is for an upgrade of my Core 2. That's also why I giggle whenever people complain that a CPU coming out only a year after the release of the previous CPU isn't twice as fast. Just because someone bought a 3770K last year doesn't mean it is necessary to upgrade the very next year. But for someone like me whose system is > 5 years old, Haswell sure does have some nice features.

I think the biggest unanswered question is how well Haswell overclocks. If Intel fixes its intentionally stupid use of crappy TIM in the heatspreader, then hitting 5 Ghz shouldn't be insanely difficult and Haswell will be a very interesting chip. Additionally, there are rumors that base clock adjustments will be much easier because the cores are on a different frequency plane than the uncore. That means even non-K series parts will have some overclocking options.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:55 am

chuckula wrote:I think the biggest unanswered question is how well Haswell overclocks. If Intel fixes its intentionally stupid use of crappy TIM in the heatspreader, then hitting 5 Ghz shouldn't be insanely difficult and Haswell will be a very interesting chip. Additionally, there are rumors that base clock adjustments will be much easier because the cores are on a different frequency plane than the uncore. That means even non-K series parts will have some overclocking options.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:26 am

Seeing as how I've already upgraded both my boxes (rebuilt one actually) I'm going to pass on Haswell. It looks like a good CPU but I'm betting it's aimed mostly at people still running Core 2 processors and not Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge parts.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:07 am

auxy wrote:Hehe, with my delidded 3570K and lapped NH-C14 I'm "only" running 4.4Ghz, and it's still faster than I could possibly want for anything. 5Ghz, geez, I can't even imagine... :flails: ヘ(゚∀゚*)ノ

You can't imagine it being essentially the same speed in normal use? :P

I've got my 2600K at 4.4 GHz and it feels no different in normal use than stock or 5.2 GHz. :lol:
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:16 am

Waco wrote:You can't imagine it being essentially the same speed in normal use? :P

I've got my 2600K at 4.4 GHz and it feels no different in normal use than stock or 5.2 GHz. :lol:
No, I mean I can't imagine why you'd need it...
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:53 pm

I'm still unsure of whether I should get a 4770k or Sandy-E based quad like the i7 3820 (if I can get a good deal).... this is coming from an i5 750 @ 4GHz that I feel is not giving 670 SLI all the juice it needs to hit their full potential. They were massively cpu-bottlenecked at stock to the point where I had lower FPS with SLI enabled than running only 1 card.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:54 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:I kinda giggle at all the people who were "waiting for Haswell" for their next upgrade. Sure it's an engineering sample, but you'd think with all those comments that even the ES would be magically delicious or something. Small gains in general performance, solid gains in an area I couldn't possibly care less about - integrated desktop graphics. Show me the GT3 part in an affordable 15" notebook and we'll talk.


I'm not getting this comment. I'm one of those "waiting for Haswell" and I think the wait is worth it. Haswell looks to be bringing similar gains in performance to that brought by each prior generation for the last several years. If you haven't bought into Ivy Bridge by now then it definitely seems worth waiting for Haswell to me. The reasons to wait are the same as they've always been, so why is Haswell less worth waiting for? My next CPU will have to last me for 4-5 years, so waiting for Haswell seems wise - if for no other reason than to end up buying an Ivy if it turns out that there's some kind of major concession that has to be made in order to go for Haswell.

Such has always been the words of the wise: if you can wait, you should wait.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:40 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote:I'm still unsure of whether I should get a 4770k or Sandy-E based quad like the i7 3820 (if I can get a good deal).... this is coming from an i5 750 @ 4GHz that I feel is not giving 670 SLI all the juice it needs to hit their full potential. They were massively cpu-bottlenecked at stock to the point where I had lower FPS with SLI enabled than running only 1 card.


If you're at 1080p... good luck. But really, getting the SB-E system would be kind of silly. You're already getting twice the PCIe bandwidth with Ivy/Haswell, and significant gains in single-threaded performance. An Ivy/Haswell at 4.5GHz+ would be child's play on a decent board, and should more than sate your SLi setup in the near-term.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:53 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:I kinda giggle at all the people who were "waiting for Haswell" for their next upgrade. Sure it's an engineering sample, but you'd think with all those comments that even the ES would be magically delicious or something. Small gains in general performance, solid gains in an area I couldn't possibly care less about - integrated desktop graphics. Show me the GT3 part in an affordable 15" notebook and we'll talk.


Why would you giggle? If you're a 2600k owner like me (or older) then getting Ivy Bridge is kind of pointless, it's really not much difference, despite my CPU being 2 years old.
May aswell get a "free" 7%->13% more performance for the upgrade and possible better overclocking to boot.

I'll take a free 10% for some patience, especially when my old stuff isn't really bad as it is.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:55 pm

auxy wrote:
Waco wrote:You can't imagine it being essentially the same speed in normal use? :P

I've got my 2600K at 4.4 GHz and it feels no different in normal use than stock or 5.2 GHz. :lol:
No, I mean I can't imagine why you'd need it...



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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:56 pm

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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:35 pm

auxy wrote:
chuckula wrote:I think the biggest unanswered question is how well Haswell overclocks. If Intel fixes its intentionally stupid use of crappy TIM in the heatspreader, then hitting 5 Ghz shouldn't be insanely difficult and Haswell will be a very interesting chip. Additionally, there are rumors that base clock adjustments will be much easier because the cores are on a different frequency plane than the uncore. That means even non-K series parts will have some overclocking options.
Hehe, with my delidded 3570K and lapped NH-C14 I'm "only" running 4.4Ghz, and it's still faster than I could possibly want for anything. 5Ghz, geez, I can't even imagine... :flails: ヘ(゚∀゚*)ノ



If I ever get into a fight, I want auxy on my side because nothing beats CRAZY in a fight! So you delidded and only OC'd to 4.4Ghz??? I know that Ivy isn't considered the greatest overclocker ever, but 4.4 GHz is still pretty easy to achieve without having to go to the trouble of delidding. Was there any other motivation for doing that, or did you just want to do it for fun?
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:43 pm

I intend to upgrade my Core i7-2600K this year... not because it needs to be replaced, but because I'm bumping it down to a family member to retire a Socket-AM2+ Phenom II X3 720 with a bad motherboard temperature sensor.

So, should I jump on Haswell, or will Intel quit delaying Ivy Bridge -E before the year ends?
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:59 pm

I'd say Haswell but hey why not Haswell-E if you can wait for Ivy-E what's a little longer. :wink:
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:14 pm

chuckula wrote:
auxy wrote:
chuckula wrote:I think the biggest unanswered question is how well Haswell overclocks. If Intel fixes its intentionally stupid use of crappy TIM in the heatspreader, then hitting 5 Ghz shouldn't be insanely difficult and Haswell will be a very interesting chip. Additionally, there are rumors that base clock adjustments will be much easier because the cores are on a different frequency plane than the uncore. That means even non-K series parts will have some overclocking options.
Hehe, with my delidded 3570K and lapped NH-C14 I'm "only" running 4.4Ghz, and it's still faster than I could possibly want for anything. 5Ghz, geez, I can't even imagine... :flails: ヘ(゚∀゚*)ノ



If I ever get into a fight, I want auxy on my side because nothing beats CRAZY in a fight! So you delidded and only OC'd to 4.4Ghz??? I know that Ivy isn't considered the greatest overclocker ever, but 4.4 GHz is still pretty easy to achieve without having to go to the trouble of delidding. Was there any other motivation for doing that, or did you just want to do it for fun?


IDK, maybe just to avoid the risk of extra wear leading to early failure? I have my Sandy-E 3930k watercooled, but normally only run it 4.2-4.4 Ghz. I did run it closer to 5 Ghz for a while, but found the odd issue with memory subsystem instability. As it is, I can barely run the memory at anything over 1600 MHz and get it to boot. Part of that is probably because I have 8 DIMMS, but I also suspect the memory controller on my CPU is a little subpar and clocking it down a bit seems to help. Plus, unless I'm benchmarking certain things, I don't notice much of a difference whether running at 4.2 Ghz or 4.8 Ghz.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:02 pm

tfp wrote:I'd say Haswell but hey why not Haswell-E if you can wait for Ivy-E what's a little longer. :wink:
Following Intel's increasing trend of delayed releases, Haswell-E might not appear until 2016.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:16 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
tfp wrote:I'd say Haswell but hey why not Haswell-E if you can wait for Ivy-E what's a little longer. :wink:
Following Intel's increasing trend of delayed releases, Haswell-E might not appear until 2016.


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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:38 pm

I won't believe it until I see it somewhere reputable...but chances are I won't be as impressed as made up to be.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:04 am

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Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:37 am

I will wait for the steamroller and see how that compares with Haswell. Since AMD is now the new love of all the game makers, i want to see how that turns out.

BTW, i still feel my Q6600 is not that slow, but i have yet to taste Ivybridge or Haswell, so it might be just me.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:48 am

at 3.5GHz your Q6600 is not slow. Un-OC'd I think you'd see a huge difference. Mostly because you've got nearly a 50% overclock going there. lol
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:50 am

Jigar wrote:BTW, i still feel my Q6600 is not that slow, but i have yet to taste Ivybridge or Haswell, so it might be just me.


It depends on what you're doing, of course.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:05 am

BluePanda wrote:I won't believe it until I see it somewhere reputable...but chances are I won't be as impressed as made up to be.


Depends on your expectations. The "leaked" benchmarks show 7-13% improvement per clock. That's pretty decent and very much in line with what was seen with Ivy, Sandy, Westmere, Bloomfield, and Penryn. The fact that clockspeeds remain the same should not come as much of a surprise either. Haswell looks to be more of the same medicine as previous generations, and that has been good medicine and would make Haswell a worthy successor to Ivy, IMO.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:20 pm

Airmantharp wrote:
Prestige Worldwide wrote:I'm still unsure of whether I should get a 4770k or Sandy-E based quad like the i7 3820 (if I can get a good deal).... this is coming from an i5 750 @ 4GHz that I feel is not giving 670 SLI all the juice it needs to hit their full potential. They were massively cpu-bottlenecked at stock to the point where I had lower FPS with SLI enabled than running only 1 card.


If you're at 1080p... good luck. But really, getting the SB-E system would be kind of silly. You're already getting twice the PCIe bandwidth with Ivy/Haswell, and significant gains in single-threaded performance. An Ivy/Haswell at 4.5GHz+ would be child's play on a decent board, and should more than sate your SLi setup in the near-term.


I think I've decided that I'm going to go x79 and i7 3820 instead of Haswell.

This is mostly due to the future upgrade path that socket 2011 is more or less guaranteeing at this point. I should be able to upgrade to a 6 / 8 / 12 core Ivy-E or Haswell-E with a clean drop-in upgrade if I ever feel the need for more power. Makes sense to me.
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:54 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote:I think I've decided that I'm going to go x79 and i7 3820 instead of Haswell. This is mostly due to the future upgrade path that socket 2011 is more or less guaranteeing at this point. I should be able to upgrade to a 6 / 8 / 12 core Ivy-E or Haswell-E with a clean drop-in upgrade if I ever feel the need for more power. Makes sense to me.

Is it 100% certain that Haswell-E will drop in to socket 2011? And with current X79 chipsets?
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Re: 4770K ES Benchmarks Out

Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:06 pm

I'm fairly certain haswell e will require a new mobo.
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Postposted on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:56 pm

thecoldanddarkone wrote:I'm fairly certain haswell e will require a new mobo.

Yeah, that's what I've assumed....
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