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IIRC only Ivy-E has been confirmed for X79/2011.

I too expect a new socket for Haswell-E.

Edit: Slide found.

thecoldanddarkone wrote:

I'm fairly certain haswell e will require a new mobo.

I concur with thecoldanddarkone, flip-mode, and Ryu Connor.

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My apologies, gents. It appears a brain fart of sorts resulted in me writing Haswell-E in my previous post. I just meant to say that if games or applications do become much more heavily multithreaded (not out of the question with 8-core consoles being released this year), I could benefit from the x79 / LGA 2011 platform with a drop-in upgrade to a 6-12 core CPU in a couple of years. Ivy-E Xeons are said to have up to 12 cores (Chinese slide below), although whether consumer models will have chips with all 12 cores enabled is another thing entirely.

http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/upl ... Xeon-2.jpg

Prestige Worldwide wrote:

My apologies, gents. It appears a brain fart of sorts resulted in me writing Haswell-E in my previous post. I just meant to say that if games or applications do become much more heavily multithreaded (not out of the question with 8-core consoles being released this year), I could benefit from the x79 / LGA 2011 platform with a drop-in upgrade to a 6-12 core CPU in a couple of years. Ivy-E Xeons are said to have up to 12 cores (Chinese slide below), although whether consumer models will have chips with all 12 cores enabled is another thing entirely.

http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/upl ... Xeon-2.jpg

An 8-core E-series Ivy with clocks in the low-mid 3 GHz range is pretty likely when they finally do show up. 10 cores... maybe, we'll see. I doubt that you'll get a full 12-core Ivy Bridge-E chip, although some Sandy Bridge Xeon models with all the cores activated can be used in LGA-2011 boards.

AbRASiON wrote:

Until the light on my SSD is on 100% flat out solid when loading games or applications, then my PC is too slow.
Loading maps in SC2 STILL takes 10 to 15 seconds on a Samsung 840 Pro, 4ghz 2600k, ram clocked @ 2133.
Not good enough. 3 seconds or bust for everything.

Ehh. That's just because SC2 is a rubbish game! ┐(￣ヮ￣)┌ I have near-zero load time in basically everything. Of course, I don't play SC2. Even Metro2033 loads levels in a second or two.

chuckula wrote:

If I ever get into a fight, I want auxy on my side because nothing beats CRAZY in a fight! So you delidded and only OC'd to 4.4Ghz??? I know that Ivy isn't considered the greatest overclocker ever, but 4.4 GHz is still pretty easy to achieve without having to go to the trouble of delidding. Was there any other motivation for doing that, or did you just want to do it for fun?

Um, well, I was hitting ~80C at 4Ghz before I removed my IHS. When I removed it, there was almost nothing between the core and the IHS. I made a silver spacer out of a 99.99% silver slug from my dad's work a long time ago for my E7200, and I used the same spacer now for my 3570K. Works like a champ! I could probably go higher, since my temps are very low, but meh. Going from 4.2Ghz to 4.4Ghz made virtually no difference in anything, and 4.5Ghz is unstable with the voltage bump I'm using (+50mV). I figured a 1Ghz OC was enough. ╰(´◔　ω　◔ `)╯

Haswell is pretty much another step in the evolutionary progress of the Nehalem dynasty. I honestly don't expect any gains in overclocking headroom as it seems that 22nm silicon gets toasty really fast when you feed it volts. This is even before the whole flux thing with IHS and IB comes into play. IMO, Haswell biggest asset is its faster integrated GPU (appears to handle 720p gaming without too much trouble).

auxy wrote:

AbRASiON wrote:

Until the light on my SSD is on 100% flat out solid when loading games or applications, then my PC is too slow.
Loading maps in SC2 STILL takes 10 to 15 seconds on a Samsung 840 Pro, 4ghz 2600k, ram clocked @ 2133.
Not good enough. 3 seconds or bust for everything.

Ehh. That's just because SC2 is a rubbish game! ┐(￣ヮ￣)┌ I have near-zero load time in basically everything. Of course, I don't play SC2. Even Metro2033 loads levels in a second or two.

chuckula wrote:

If I ever get into a fight, I want auxy on my side because nothing beats CRAZY in a fight! So you delidded and only OC'd to 4.4Ghz??? I know that Ivy isn't considered the greatest overclocker ever, but 4.4 GHz is still pretty easy to achieve without having to go to the trouble of delidding. Was there any other motivation for doing that, or did you just want to do it for fun?

Um, well, I was hitting ~80C at 4Ghz before I removed my IHS. When I removed it, there was almost nothing between the core and the IHS. I made a silver spacer out of a 99.99% silver slug from my dad's work a long time ago for my E7200, and I used the same spacer now for my 3570K. Works like a champ! I could probably go higher, since my temps are very low, but meh. Going from 4.2Ghz to 4.4Ghz made virtually no difference in anything, and 4.5Ghz is unstable with the voltage bump I'm using (+50mV). I figured a 1Ghz OC was enough. ╰(´◔　ω　◔ `)╯

You realize that modern games load times are mostly CPU-bound (single-thread)? Having a faster I/O only helps if the game is constantly streaming a ton of data onto memory (MMORPGs) or has to load a ton of data onto memory from a "cold start". My lowly Green 1.5TB WD drive is just about as fast as Cruical M4 128GB in most the games on my current rig when load times are concerned.

Krogoth wrote:

You realize that modern games load times are mostly CPU-bound (single-thread)? Having a faster I/O only helps if the game is constantly streaming a ton of data onto memory (MMORPGs) or has to load a ton of data onto memory from a "cold start". My lowly Green 1.5TB WD drive is just about as fast as Cruical M4 128GB in most the games on my current rig when load times are concerned.

Um, no, sorry. I can (and have) measure a difference in seconds between the (in order from slowest to fastest) Barracuda Green drive I own, the faster Barracuda XT drive, the OCZ Vertex Plus drives (slow by SSD standards, but still faster than the HDDs), my Vertex 4, and even my RAMdrive. Sure, most games are GPU/CPU-bound most of the time, but plenty of games are I/O bound during loads; you're talking nonsense. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ

auxy wrote:

Krogoth wrote:

You realize that modern games load times are mostly CPU-bound (single-thread)? Having a faster I/O only helps if the game is constantly streaming a ton of data onto memory (MMORPGs) or has to load a ton of data onto memory from a "cold start". My lowly Green 1.5TB WD drive is just about as fast as Cruical M4 128GB in most the games on my current rig when load times are concerned.

Um, no, sorry. I can (and have) measure a difference in seconds between the (in order from slowest to fastest) Barracuda Green drive I own, the faster Barracuda XT drive, the OCZ Vertex Plus drives (slow by SSD standards, but still faster than the HDDs), my Vertex 4, and even my RAMdrive. Sure, most games are GPU/CPU-bound most of the time, but plenty of games are I/O bound during loads; you're talking nonsense. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ

The only thing that Cruical SSD provided was a faster, smoother OS experience. It is like night and day. I only found a handful of games benefit from it. Moving from a faster CPU made a larger impact in reducing load time (from a [email protected] to a [email protected]) then simply jumping from a HDD to SSD. I already tested SSD on the Q6600, just to be sure. Crucial SSD isn't the fastest unit on the market, but it is still a league or two ahead of any HDD on the market.

It is no that big of a surprise either. Games are still programs at heart and CPU has to extract, compile the data from the files and load-up all libraries and dependencies before it moves the finished data onto system memory. I/O only matters in moving the finished data onto system memory. Developers designed their games around the bandwidth of HDDs, since most of the market still uses HDDs as their primary storage. The I/O advantage of SSD over HDD (if any) media disappears once all of the game's contents are stored in system memory (it is much faster then SSD).

derFunkenstein wrote:

at 3.5GHz your Q6600 is not slow. Un-OC'd I think you'd see a huge difference. Mostly because you've got nearly a 50% overclock going there. lol

flip-mode wrote:

It depends on what you're doing, of course.

Gaming !!! But not the recent games, i am still playing Metro 2033, Witcher 2, Just Cause 2 etc, none of them have loaded the CPU 100% - but yes, i see my HD7970 100% loaded.

Haswell is going to be a good little bump in intels roadmap. If one of the models ends up overclocking really well, could be another plus too.