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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:32 am

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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:48 am

clone wrote:please read & consider before fingers hit keys next time.

I suggest you follow your own advice. (and yes, I saw your post before you edited it)

Bensam123 suggested that an 8350 is equal or better then a 4770k in BF3. I pointed out that an 8350 can't even touch an i5-760 as far as BF3 performance is concerned. My post had nothing to do with the purchase of an i5.

clone wrote:benchmarks are worthless unless considered in context.

Which is another way of saying you are burying your head in the sand on this one.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:24 am

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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:36 am

clone wrote:so please do as you claim to be which you claim is as I...

What the heck. Were you singing this out loud while you typed? Are you Michael Bolton?

clone wrote:I don't care what Bensam said, not even a little

And yet you are all in a knot about my reply to Bensam. Very odd.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:39 am

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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:45 am

clone wrote:p.s. according to TR's BF3 review FX 8350 does beat i5-760 by an insignificant amount.

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd- ... reviewed/7

And now benchmarks are suddenly relevant again. Hallelujah! And, thanks to you, you have now validated my reply with Bensam123.

BTW, that dual core Pentium G2120 is kicking ass! Wait, I thought BF3 was all about tons of cores.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:47 am

clone wrote:
And yet you are all in a knot about my reply to Bensam. Very odd.
no knot, noticed a post completely offtopic, I responded in hopes of getting it on topic

It takes two to tango.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:11 am

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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:08 am

I believe that we're agreed that the higher potential clock speed of the $145 32nm Vishera FX-8320 could provide a bit more gaming performance on your existing motherboard than your existing 45nm Thuban Phenom II X6 1090T does. The question that you didn't ask is how we should evaluate that purchase when we consider it as 1/3 the cost of a 22nm Haswell CPU and Z87 motherboard combo.

In the Battlefield 3 benchmark result that End User posted, the stock FX-8320 is 13-28% faster than the stock Phenom II X6 1100T. The stock Core i7-2600K is 66% faster than the Phenom II X6 1100T.

Geonerd wrote: For $145, you could have some fun, then pitch the losing chip on Fleabay.
If you consider that you could get some money back for whichever chip you discard, then this becomes a much more appealing purchase. If the eBay return isn't in your evaluation, I believe that you should either stand pat with your overclocked Thuban or save up to make the switch to the dark side.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:10 am

clone, End User, for the purposes of this thread:

Intel faster than AMD, AMD cheaper than Intel. Both happy now? Let's move on please.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:39 am

Either keep the 1090T or jump to Intel and get a 4570k or 4770k.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:01 am

Bensam123 wrote:If you want to know what to expect from games just click through the benchmarks and compare it to the 1100t here: http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd- ... reviewed/5

So a decent boost in game performance, especially if you OC it (check out the time beyond graphs at the bottom). This really depends a lot more on how much you feel like upgrading and if you're willing to wait til next year when Steamroller comes out. That said your motherboard should support Vishera with the latest bios so this really is a $145 upgrade with some decent performance to boot. That's pretty cheap.

Keep in mind you aren't guaranteed to hit or come close to 5ghz, I have a 8350 and couldn't OC it worth a darn (more voltage actually caused stability issues). I did undervolt it though at stock speeds.


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Remember with that techreport chart in the above link shows the phenom 985 having higher average FPS. If the 6 core 1100 was tested at your 4.1 overclock the average FPS would b higher then the 985 CPU since your single/multi core clock speed is 400mhx faster the the x4-985 and 800mhz faster then the 1100t. So that would make average frame rate better then the 8350 for sure and more then likely your frame times even better. The x4-985 frame time are better then fx8350 to start with.

Also I do not know what kind of cooling you are using on your 1090t but a 4.1ghz overclock is pretty dang good. What kind of cooler are you using? Perhaps you could get yourself a better cooler then what you have and get a better overclock then the great overclock you have already on your 1090t. Plus if that does not help you out on your overclocking you would probably need it anyway for the fx8350 if you plan on pushing it to 4.6ghz or higher.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:20 am

As an aside, I ordered one of those FX-8320s; thanks to the OP for pointing out the sale. I already had an extra AM3+ motherboard and 8 GB of DDR3 sitting around unused, so it was pretty much a no-brainer for me.

Also...
Bensam123 wrote:This really depends a lot more on how much you feel like upgrading and if you're willing to wait til next year when Steamroller comes out.

I really think that should read "...wait til next year to see if Steamroller comes out."
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:42 am

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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:29 am

clone wrote:PC perspective just posted an article mentioning that Steamroller may not be AM3+ compatible, so this could be the last best upgrade (for the money).

I would not be at all surprised if Steamroller ends up being released only as an APU (Socket FM2) and an Opteron branded part (Socket G34). It is also conceivable (though unlikely) that they could try to re-position AM3+ as a low-end server platform, in which case the only stumbling block for existing motherboards would be BIOS support. But I am not holding my breath waiting for AM3+ Steamroller chips (hence the placing of my order for the FX-8320).
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:20 pm

Clone,
I do not believe they make a i5 4570k...they make a regular non k 4570 but the only Haswell K parts are the 4670 and 4770. I do not know why they changed up the i5 # scheme from IVY's 3570 to Haswells 4670k. I guess It was just like the same SKU # change from Sandy's 2500k, 2600k and 2700k to Ivy' 3570k to 3770k. Just does not make sense to me.


What I wish they made would be a i3 Dual core Hyper threaded UNLOCKED K chip for around $150. I would love to see the performance difference in todays and 2-3 year old games with a over clocked to say 4.6ghz + HT Sandy, IVY, or Haswell Dual core compared to a i5 and i7 K chip. I think it would be very very interesting to see the comparison + just having that awesome single & dual core performance plus hyper threading for the newer games that will and already support it. I think they would overclock better then there 4 core counterparts. Also I think they should ave 4mb of cache like a i7 cut in half... But that is just a pipe dream I have. But a pretty Cool one I think.
At around $150 a 4.6ghz or higher over clocked Hyperthreded I3 dual core would be a very good selling product
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:35 pm

vargis14 wrote:At around $150 a 4.6ghz or higher over clocked Hyperthreded I3 dual core would be a very good selling product

They could release something like that if they wanted to. But with AMD on the ropes they've got no reason to do so.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:07 pm

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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:54 pm

morphine wrote: happy now?

Not really but I'm taking my thoughts to a new thread.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:55 pm

sschaem wrote:
Star Brood wrote:You may want to pass on this current deal - even a Sandy Bridge i5 quad core model will perform substantially better for current games. As a poster above me said, when the XBone and the PS4 release, multi-threading may be a lot more prevalent, but I'll believe it when I see it. Additionally, games that are bottlenecked by single-threaded performance, like StarCraft 2, will scream on the i5 and do just OK on any AMD processor.


Upgrade cost to go to an FX-8320, $145 . How much to build an i5 based system instead? CPU alone will be over $200 + ~100 for a motherboard?


That's why I said Sandy Bridge. One can ebay an i5 2400 for $100-$130, and a cheap 1155 motherboard might set you back about $40-$60. madmanmarz doen't need to overclock it for it to perform better than his/her AMD CPU.

Me on the other hand, I can't make any use of it. I'd have to replace my entire computer if I wanted to upgrade my CPU further. I have a Dell with proprietary motherboard standoffs and propriety power supply hookups, and my RAM is DDR2. madmanmarz on the other hand, just would need a new motherboard and CPU.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:22 pm

Well, just got mine. Took about 10min to flash the bios and replace to 1090t... But this fx-8320 doesn't behave as I expected.

Even under light load all core multiplier shoot up. So even with a trivial workload where 1 core is loaded (out of the 8 ) all 4 module endup at 3.7ghz.
(iddle state is 1.4ghz 0.88v on all cores)

So Its 'interesting' to see 7 core with 0% load running at max multiplier and voltage...

I guess I haven't read enough to see if its a motherboard bug, an AMD design flaw, an OS thingy, or what.

Anyone know what could be the cause ?

I also never see any core go to 4ghz, so something is not right. (even when I load a single core at 100+%)
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:32 pm

My (other) 8320 doesn't do that, the cores appear to ramp up individually. Not sure if it is a BIOS thing or an OS thing; my motherboard is an Asus M5A97 R2.0, but I am running Linux (Ubuntu 12.04) not Windows, so I imagine my configuration is different from yours. :wink:
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:53 pm

Thanks. I downloaded AMD overdrive to see if the frequency reporting was bogus in coreTemp. but its the same. So something for me to investigate further.

But for now I'm playing around. Stock setting running Prime95 and lowering the voltage every 10 min or so.

Pure stock: The fan is like a jet taking off. 7000 RPM, insane.
Shaved 1000 RPM by going to 1.125 VID (55c) already, so far so good but I dont think this cooler will ever be silent enough...

So if I'm going to use this on a daily basis, I will have to get an aftermarket cooler. Most likely a closed loop cooler. Making the sweet price of $145 rocket too $200+
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:33 pm

Yikes, yeah I've heard that the AMD fans are noisy and worthless, but jumping to 7000RPM right out of the box is pretty disgusting. You may want to contact their support team as maybe there is a chance you can get a replacement fan.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:30 pm

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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:53 am

madmanmarz wrote:Currently on a 1090T at 4.1Ghz with good water cooling (Asus m5a97 EVO R2). I mostly use this thing for gaming. Newegg has a deal for $145 for the next few days.... worth it? I am hoping to get the 8320 close to 5Ghz.

Thanks


Of course you should upgrade! That's what makes this all fun. Get a good price for your old chip on eBay and don't look back. Just think of the fun you'll have over clocking your new chip, discovering what it can do. And yes I believe with the new multi core Xbone and PS4, the 8320 will come into Its own in the next few years.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:25 am

clone wrote:ok, I can't find an Intel 4570k anywhere, 4670k and 4770k yes but those are almost doubling and or tripling the price on cpu alone which on the surface would make them poor choices... "3xxxk" parts are priced similarly making them equally dubious from a pricing position.


Sorry, I meant 4670K.

My opinion is that it's worth the cost to go the Intel route. Better performance (in the applications I care about, at least) better power consumption so less cooling and quieter fans needed, and better motherboards (especially in regards to SATA performance). I'm still running a Phenom X4 955 on DDR2 so I'm not prone to upgrade often, and that has to be factored into why my opinion is what it is and why I think less of the idea of buying the FX 8320. If I were in this guy's position, I'd totally keep the 1090T on the job untill DDR4 arrives. I think the value proposition of upgrading to an FX 8320 from a 1090T is a waste. I'm not impressed with any of AMD's current CPUs and I think they're all compromised parts - they use too much power and they only offer competitive performance in highly threaded situations, and they're also running on a platform that's quite long in the tooth at this point.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:37 am

clone wrote:
sschaem wrote: I will have to get an aftermarket cooler. Most likely a closed loop cooler.
My FX 8320 doesn't crack 60°C with a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+. The cooler came with extra mounting brackets which I used to add a 2nd tri-speed 120mm fan. It's permanently set to slow speed: 800 rpm.

· If you're going to get a heatsink the size of the Hyper 212+, spend the extra $5 to get the improved Hyper 212 Evo (also available here, here or here). The newer design has a more efficient heatpipe contact configuration and it comes with a better fan that's quieter while pushing more air. The finned portion of the cooler is the same. Here's a video highlighting the differences between the old and new designs.

· If you're going to mount two fans on the CPU heatsink, use a PWM splitter cable so that they both spin up and slow down at the same time as directed by your motherboard's fan speed controller.

· CoolerMaster includes all necessary mounting hardware in the box to use the Hyper 212 Evo on LGA 1150, 1155 or 2011 when you finally upgrade to a higher-performing processor.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:05 am

sschaem wrote:So if I'm going to use this on a daily basis, I will have to get an aftermarket cooler. Most likely a closed loop cooler. Making the sweet price of $145 rocket too $200+

No need to spend that much. At stock speeds, even a Hyper TX3 will get 'er done. Mine idles at around 1000 RPM (virtually silent), and stays under 2000 RPM unless I load up all 8 cores (in which case it spins all the way up, but holds the CPU temp at 58C max). If you plan to OC or want it to be quieter you'll need to step up to something with a larger (e.g. 120mm) fan, but you can still do that relatively cheaply. Coolermaster's heatpipe coolers are a great value.

Edit: Yeah, I guess it should've been pointed out earlier in this thread that you need to factor in an aftermarket cooler when buying an FX CPU if you value peace and quiet. But with the Coolermaster heatpipe coolers getting so cheap, the cost of an aftermarket cooler isn't a big deal.
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Re: Should I upgrade to an FX-8320? (1090T)

Postposted on Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:07 am

Closed-loop water cooling doesn't have to be terribly expensive, also thanks to the value-conscious folks at CoolerMaster.
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The giant air coolers probably provide better cooling, but there are some case configurations where mounting a radiator at the back really opens up the clutter above the CPU socket.
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