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Thinking of getting a SFF???

Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:58 am

Hi all
I currently have a full tower setup with the specs below. I am considering the IDEQ Biostar with the 64 Athlon or the Shuttle 64Bit when it comes out. I am not sure if I should change over from my full tower to the SFF. I was hoping people would give me some advice and reasons (besides size) to change over. I think the "cool" factor is one of them LOL

Just help me decide!

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Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:10 am

The biggest worry with the Shuttle cube is fitting that 5950 video card inside. Unless it's a single slot slimline, it won't fit in the Shuttle. Just a consideration for the cube.
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Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:10 am

what am i saying...the shuttle 64 athlon sff is out--duh :roll:
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Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:11 am

Sangria7 wrote:what am i saying...the shuttle 64 athlon sff is out--duh :roll:


Yes it is, but hopefully Shuttle will release a NF3 250 cube soon. That would be a sweet solution :)
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Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:12 am

I was thinking of selling the V9950 GPU and get a new one that will fit
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Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:13 am

What does everyone think of the Biostar vs Athlon SFF
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Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:07 pm

I'd second the motion to wait for the 250 cube to come out.

However, I haven't heard much as far as PCI-Express chipsets for the Athlon 64. THAT would be a sweet solution, although you could just as well wait for the R420 to come out and still use the AGP8x.
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Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:59 pm

From what I've read, Biostar's SFF typically are a bit more of a pain to work on than Shuttles. A couple of reviewers complained about the difficulty in installing the heatpipe in the Biostar that they are a bit too close to the caps on the motherboard. Also, the BIOS on the Biostar tends to be a bit limited but to be fair, so is the Shuttles. Was there a particular model you were looking at?

I think though that whatever you end up purchasing you will be happy with. I've personally only owned or built Shuttle boxes and am basing my opinions on what I've read. If someone else is running a Biostar, care to comment?

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Postposted on Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:01 pm

When is the 250 cube due out and what is the price range?
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Postposted on Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:13 pm

Not sure as to an ETA, but I'm going to assume "soon" as Soltek announced it's SFF based on Nvidia's Nforce 250 last Thursday:

http://www.nforcershq.com/modules.php?n ... e&sid=1562

So I'll go with a May/June timeframe for Shuttles launch, but it's purely speculation.

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Postposted on Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:14 pm

Thanks for the input - but I think Ill go ahead and get the Shutle 64bit that is out for now. I can always upgrade again :D

I will let everyone know my new rig looks like
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Postposted on Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:37 pm

Good man. Cubes are the ****. I'm glad you stopped thinking and started buying! :lol:
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Postposted on Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:03 pm

What kind of SFF rigs does everyone have?

I am building the following:
Shuttle SN85G4 nFORCE 3 64 Bit
AMD 3000+ ATHLON 64
Western Digital HD 120GB 8MB Cache SATA
Albatron FX5900XTV 128MB

and adding from my old system
Geil PC3200 400DDR
Benq 19 inch LCD 700:1 Ratio


Just Curious - Also I want to MOD it similiar to the one in this thread but not sure how...

http://www.techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14467

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Postposted on Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:09 pm

Just cut a hole on the side for the window with a dremel or something similar. For the blowhole, take a laser cut grill and draw a line along the outter edge of it and cut.
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Postposted on Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:00 am

cut the blow hole with a dremel as well??
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Postposted on Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:19 am

The best tool for cutting a circular hole is a hole saw.
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Postposted on Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:41 am

I am going to sell my GeIL memory also and get new OCZ ones as well

Hey cool we have hole saws at home depot -I can pick one up there since I work there but I wasnt sure if it was an overkill for a computer shell :)

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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:20 am

WOW I just got my components and put it together last night

Man it flys....I just cut the blow hole and everything is working great!!!
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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:37 am

The blow hole you are referring to is at the top of the case, correct? You should load up Speedfan and take an average temp reading while the unit is under load. Also, is it a rev2 85G4 box?

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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:43 am

i have built both a Biostar iDeq 200n and a shuttle SN41G2 and i can tell you that shuttle is much better quality overall.

The 200n supposedly supports SATA, but lord have mercy on your soul if you try to install a SATA like i did... I eventually got it it in there but you have to move **** around like crazy and route cables close to the HSF fan... The HFS doesn't work as well as the Shuttle's either & its tricky to install.

Using onboard video I get video artifacts when running at 333mhz bus. not so on the shuttle.

I do like biostars drive-door thing though. wish shuttle would get one of those.
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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:01 am

The only thing is that I am having trouble with overclocking....cant seem to get the correct settings to work....
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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:27 am

I'd stay away from BIOSTAR. Shuttle's products are proven and very stable. If you want a Geforce FX card, get a single slot 5900NU and O/C it or a 5900XT. :)

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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:40 am

Hey Perfect:

Did you O/C your shuttle and if so what settings did you change and to what?

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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:05 pm

Sangria7 wrote:Hey Perfect:

Did you O/C your shuttle and if so what settings did you change and to what?

THanks


No I have not overclocked it. Really it's so fast there is no need to. Plus the Nforce 150 does not have a working PCI/AGP lock. I have my video card slightly overclocked though :)

My HyperX ram is running at it's tightest timings, 2-5-5-5.
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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:09 pm

Did you manuall set the timings for your RAM or have it on AUTO
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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:52 pm

Sangria7 wrote:Did you manuall set the timings for your RAM or have it on AUTO


No manual, AUTO sets the timings to high.
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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:32 pm

could the sff's 250 watt psu handle any of the 5900 cards?
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Postposted on Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:22 pm

DivX wrote:could the sff's 250 watt psu handle any of the 5900 cards?


Sure, LOTS of ppl runs them! I do as well. Single slot versions of course.

Visit the Sudhian SFF forums, that is where everyone with a SFF goes.

http://forums.sudhian.com/categories.cfm?catid=43&forumid=1
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Postposted on Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:13 am

could the sff's 250 watt psu handle any of the 5900 cards?


Look at our signatures. There is a couple here that run 5900 series.
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