That is a fine ATX case. Do you need 6 or 7 expansion slots, or could you get by with 4 or 5 slots in Micro-ATX? Most ATX cases will accept micro-ATX motherboards without a problem.diasflacog wrote:$1500 firm budget... ($1362 total for the items listed):
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811139018
$60 Corsair Carbide 200R
What legacy hardware are you going to continue to use that requires those two obsolete PCI slots? If you don't have a need for the obsolete PCI slots, why not get a motherboard that has only PCIe slots?diasflacog wrote: Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131980
$160 Asus Z87-Plus
Those components will perform well.diasflacog wrote: CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116901
$340 Intel Core i7-4770K
CPU Cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835103099
$36 CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
Do you like the tall decorative heatsinks on those DIMMs? They should perform satisfactorily, anyway.diasflacog wrote: RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820233586
$77 2x4 GiB PC3-12800 Corsair CMY8GX3M2A1600C9A (DDR3-1600, CAS 9, 1.5 V)
Graphics card pricing has been headed in the wrong direction for the past two months.diasflacog wrote: GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814500301
$320 Zotac ZT-70301-10P GeForce GTX770 2GB
That wouldn't be much better than the integrated audio on the motherboard (which may be sufficient). Here's the latest-generation.diasflacog wrote: Sound card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6829102062
$40 Creative Audigy Fx 70SB157000000
I'm not completely sold on the hybrid hard-drive. I'd suggest a ¼ TB SSD for your OS and most-used programs and a 2+ TB hard-drive for storage.diasflacog wrote: Optical - None
SSD - None
HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822178381
$90 1.0 TB Seagate ST1000DX001
That's an expensive power supply.diasflacog wrote: PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817139055
$130 Corsair RM750 (EPS, Gold, Modular, 62½A @ +12V)
This isn't 2009 any more.diasflacog wrote: OS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6832116986
$102 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
The manual of the 200R showed all 9 possible screw positions can take screws. Not sure what you are talking about, Anand's article said there is a centerpost for lining up, but the standoffs are still standoffs?diasflacog wrote:Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811139018
Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131980
With my mobo I can only use 6 screws to bolt it down on the case since it doesn't have the 9 holes a full ATX board does. (eventhough it's an ATX mobo) That alone isn't a big issue, but from what I understand my case has a lil mobo stand to help me place the mobo in properly however that lil stand takes the place of one of the mobo stands leaving me with 5 screws to bolt in only.
It depends on your storage needs. For people who have a huge media collection they would need those large mechanical 2TB+ drives plus an SSD. SSDs with capacities <=256GB seems to be having a lot of deals lately. Perhaps you can catch one and still have room for a larger mechanical drive. There are a few ways to trim that budget of yours based on JAE's suggestions (motherboard, PSU, sound). What monitor solution are you going for? Perhaps you can also get away with a 760? How crazy are you going to overclock? Haswell overclocking does not seem to be worth the ROI for the more expensive motherboard and cooling, without delidding.diasflacog wrote:Lastly I went with a hybrid drive because I just can't afford a 1TB SSD (no way) nor even a 500GB one. So I feel that an hybrid is the way to go for me. Ive done my research of course and it seems perfect for me.
diasflacog wrote:Lastly I went with a hybrid drive because I just can't afford a 1TB SSD (no way) nor even a 500GB one. So I feel that an hybrid is the way to go for me. Ive done my research of course and it seems perfect for me.
I did not. I looked up the installation guide PDF for the 200R and all 9 screws (if available) can be screwed in. Where is the fake one? I think I am going to need a reference that claimed there is a fake standoff with no screws.diasflacog wrote:FlyingFox you kinda misunderstood my question about the mobo and the case. The case is not really the problem but the mobo I want only has 6 holes in it. But when I place it in the case only 5 will be available because the lil "fake" stand off will take one of the holes. That's why I was asking this because I felt iffy about this.
There is enough you can skimp on in your component list to achieve that. So why not?diasflacog wrote:The one main thing that i'm seeing here is that i should get an SSD + HDD.
Then let us know what resolution you are going to game at. That should help settle the GPU decision.diasflacog wrote:The reason I didn't mention monitor and keyboard etc etc (or other non important parts like a drive or a card reader) is because i already have some. I've never built a PC but i'm not THAT PC illiterate =P
Remember the fact that it is usually the people with problems that are the loudest. Overall quality has been down over the years. However, a lot of those DOAs are due to bad packaging and delivery guys just throw the stuff around. Just run the manufacturer's diagnostics immediately after you get the drive, and RMA asap if it happens.diasflacog wrote:Ima try and squeeze in a 250 gig SSD and a HDD (on a side note why do HDD drives have such HORRIBLE reviews on newegg?) Soooo many DOA's no matter what brand. This is scary....
Not any time soon with the 8 core things, especially Intel's 8-core. AMD's IPC has gotten behind very fast. Especially now that the new generation console baseline has been set. Also, the "8-core" in the i7 is hyperthreading "fake" cores anyway. It is not going to help too much if the cores are truly fully utilized.diasflacog wrote:The reason i'm going with the i7 4770K is cuz i want to be future proof. I don't new games to all of a sudden take advantage of 8 cores and then have to upgrade my cpu in the next year or so...I want this pc to last me a good 3+ years. So I don't want a core i5 even though when it comes to games the i7 isn't that much better.
Some reported that even 4.0 GHz is a problem. And you may need a lot more cooling than the Hyper+ EVO to get decent performance and temps. If you ask me I treat the EVO as a cheap means to avoid the noisier stock fan.diasflacog wrote:I don't plan to OC THAT much maybe just up to like 4.3 or something. I'm aware that haswell isn't very good at OC.
If I were to speculate those positive reviews are relative to people on mechanical drives. Of course it is going to be an improvement. Even USB ReadyBoost is going to be better. Once you use an SSD, you can't quite go back.diasflacog wrote:Lastly about the hybrid drive, I can't say i'm 100% sold myself but it def seemed like a good option especially after reading people's reviews and seeing the benchmarks. They seem damned good to me. Sure it's not an SSD but it's way cheaper.
Only if you can find a good deal on Windows 7. Supplies of Win7 licenses are drying up and prices may stay high from now on. Windows 8.1 is not as bad as 8, and there are tools that you can install to restore old behaviours. For Win7 Home Premium, beware that your maximum physical memory is 16 gigs (limit for "regular" Windows 8+ is at 128 gigs) if going beyond is in future upgrade plans. Go to Professional if you need more RAM and the ability to Remote Desktop into the computer.diasflacog wrote:One last thing! LOL I'm NOT getting windows 8. That's final. I don't like it. I'm going with 7 but thank you for the tip regardless
diasflacog wrote: The mobo says it's a uATX but my case says it only takes Micro ATX and ATX.
diasflacog wrote:Again guys I CAN'T go over 1500 unless I save more money and honestly i'm tired of my current PC. 1500+ for a pc is not acceptable. You guys gotta understand that i'm not rich.
diasflacog wrote:Flying Fox I saw a vid on youtube of a dude building on my case and he was like "Oh cool there's a lil standoff here that holds the mobo in place for you making it very easy to bolt in" He also only used 5 screws. I'll have to link the vid to you so you can see it. Unless this dude is totally retarded and doesn't know what he's doing then I don't know lol.Here's the vid of the guy i'm talking about. he seems to know what he's doing IMO. But you check it out.
He starts installing the mobo at 40:28 so fast foward it to that part. You will see what i'm talking about. He even says he only uses 5 screws! He's also using the exact case i'm getting.
That topic was quite thoroughly explored before. No, you should not have a problem. Mainly because a modern Haswell/Sandy core is much faster than those Jaguar cores.diasflacog wrote:As for gaming and 8 cores. The "next gen" consoles both have 8 core CPU's so since PC will get a bunch of console ports don't you think that maybe in the future PC's will also use 8 cores?
Flying Fox wrote:No, you should not have a problem. Mainly because a modern Haswell/Sandy core is much faster than those Jaguar
Chrispy_ wrote:A single 3570K core can run three threads sequentially faster than three Jaguar cores can run three threads in parallel.
diasflacog wrote:Sure i'm capped at 16 gigs, but i'm only going to be using 8 gigs. I have no plans on going over 16 gigs Anytime soon. Everyone who ive talked to tells me that going over 16 is pointless for what i'm going to use my Pc which is mostly gaming
As for gaming and 8 cores. The "next gen" consoles both have 8 core CPU's so since PC will get a bunch of console ports don't you think that maybe in the future PC's will also use 8 cores?
I don't believe that it does. For a 32-bit operating system, the graphics card's memory counts against the 4 GiB total address space. For a 64-bit system Windows Vista or Windows 7 system, the graphics card memory is in another addressing region and does not count against the 16 GiB limit that existed for market segmentation purposes.superjawes wrote: Correction, if you pick up the linked GTX 770, you are going to be using 10GB (8GB RAM + 2GB VRAM). Video memory counts toward the total.
The only part I don't care for is the case; and I say that because I'm using the Corsair 200R in my main rig at the moment. At first glance it looks like a bargain, but it's got plenty of annoying quirks. For starters, the center motherboard standoff is noticeably taller than the surrounding motherboard mounts, meaning that if you just slap in your motherboard and crank it down, you'll be bending/flexing the board more than I'm comfortable with. The mounts and standoffs are not removable, so I had to use paper washers behind the board to even-out the height.
The metal used in the 200R is also extremely thin (this may not be immediately apparent because it's plastic polymer coated) and the slightest bit of vibration from hard drives (in their crappy plastic cage) or fans will cause the panels and front bezel to begin loudly rattling. I had to move one of my HDDs to a 5.25 bay with an adapter (with rubber isolators), and crank the front bezel down to the body of the case with zipties to get rid of the rattling.
There's also far too many fan mounts/vented locations to get any sort of positive/negative air pressure. You've six (6) 120mm fan mount locations, in addition to a vented rear panel, and vented slot covers. I do use a some fans, but that's way overkill. The case is practically wide open. I had to do extensive taping-off with black electrical tape from the inside.
So yeah, while it's not a "bad" case, I had to do a fair amount of modification to get it where I was comfortable with it. More trouble than it was worth.
Arclight wrote:For OP's consideration:
Core i5 4670K - $239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116899
GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD4H - $184.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128617
G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 2133 - $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820231653
Seagate Barracuda 2TB - $87.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822148834
EVGA SuperClocked GTX 780 3GB - $509.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814130917
SeaSonic M12II Bronze 620W - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151095
LIAN LI PC-9F Black - $124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811112304
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835608014
Note the system won't be silent during full load unless you are willing to change the PSU fan (thus voiding the warranty) and installing an aftermarket cooler for the video card (potentially warranty voiding if you damage the card).
That said, the system won't be very loud as is but although noise can be measured, it is something subjective and it will depend on many factors. What i'm trying to say is that if you do find it noisey, it's an easy fix but it will cost you an aditional $100 or so.
Flying Fox wrote:Arclight wrote:For OP's consideration:
Without an SSD I won't wholeheartedly support this particular build. You don't need the 780 for 1080p for sure. The expensive motherboard has no value especially the OP is not going for crazy overclocks (which almost automatically means an even better cooler, like the Noctua's, plus other stuff).
Arclight wrote:For OP's consideration:
Arclight wrote:For OP's consideration:
You might have noticed that I did list the prices, part names and descriptions for all of the OP's links in the first reply to this thread.Prestige Worldwide being picky and unhelpful wrote:I would have offered some suggestions but couldn't be arsed clicking on 10 different links to figure out what you were shooting for.
vargis14 wrote:Just like JAE said get the sound blaster Z card you will not be disappointed.
As for the PSU Corsairs TX750 for 99$ is a great PSU which I am almost positive is made by seasonic..I know my TX850v2 is. On top of that they are silent.
As for a cooler the new Corsair h-75 looks like a nice AIO cooler and performs well...definitely better then a hyper 212 evo. Haswel runs hot so do not skimp on the cooler if you plan on overclocking. Cooler Master Seidon 120M cools a good bit better then the hyper 212 and is only 25$ more.
superjawes wrote:Arclight wrote:For OP's consideration:
Even with the revision, that list excludes a copy of Windows, which would put it over OP's $1,500 budget.
At 1080p, even a 770 is overkill. Drop down to a 760 like this ($250) and that will free up more than enough for a copy of Windows.
Case choices are very subjective (and entirely depend on what the user/builder wants). Same goes for aftermarket CPU coolers, for that matter. They are usually cooler and quieter than stock fans, but stock is still functional under normal conditions.
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