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Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:12 am

Hi folks, Hope I'm posting this in the right place ?
I have a Packard Bell OneTwo PC and it is running very slowly after having been switched on for several hours. The O/S is Win 7 and processor is AMD E1 Vision. Would a memory upgrade or processor upgrade help?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:53 am

Moved to General Hardware.

Note to OP: a more detailed system configuration list can be helpful.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:53 am

Thanks for the advice Flying Fox, here is a summary of my configuration:-

Modules

Operating System

Windows 8 ‎(X64)‎
System install date: 8/6/2013


Processor

AMD K140 clocked at 1.40 GHz
Number of cores: 2 physical, 2 logical
Processor socket: Socket FT1 BGA


Motherboard

Packard Bell oneTwo S3230
Serial number (motherboard): DBU7P11001251003216900
Bios version: P11-A1
Date: 10/30/2012


Chipset

Northbridge : AMD K12 IMC
Revision ID: 00
Southbridge : AMD AMD 13 FCH
Revision ID: 2.4


Memory

8 GB total memory type DDR3
Memory chip Kingston from 4 GB
Maximum frequency: 800 MHz
Max bandwidth: PC3-12800
Memory chip Kingston from 4 GB
Maximum frequency: 800 MHz
Max bandwidth: PC3-12800


Graphics card

AMD Radeon HD 7310 Graphics
DirectX version installed: 11.0


Harddrive

Harddrive ST2000DM001-1CH164 from 1.82 TB SATA III
Firmware: CC24
Serial number: W1E1XF6J
HDD Temperature: 38 °C
Power time: 2204 hours


CD-ROM

Slimtype DVD A DS8A8SH
Firmware version: KA14
Firmware date: 2011-08-05


Network

Microsoft Wi-Fi Direct Virtual Adapter
Adapter type: IEEE 802.11 wireless
Qualcomm Atheros AR5B125 Wireless Network Adapter
Adapter type: IEEE 802.11 wireless
Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
Adapter type: ethernet
Software Loopback Interface 1
Adapter type: Loopback


Multimedia cards

Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller


Keyboard

Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Wireless Device


Mouse

Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Wireless Device


Screen(s)

Generic PnP Monitor
Manufacturer: QK3
Maximum resolution: 1600 x 900
Screen size: 19.9" (44 cm x 25 cm)
Manufacture date: 7/29/2009
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Video input type: Digital Signal


USB peripheral

Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 1018 (HP LaserJet 1018)
Supported USB version: 2.0
Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Wireless Device
Supported USB version: 2.0
Cheng Uei Precision Industry Co., Ltd (Foxlink)
Supported USB version: 2.0
Microchip Technology, Inc. PICkit3 (PICkit 3)
Supported USB version: 2.0
Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5138 Card Reader Controller
Supported USB version: 2.0
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:58 am

The AMD low power vision CPUs are not much faster then a Atom CPU from Intel but it's graphics are better. I do not think there is much you can do to get any better performance out of that machine. The bobcat cores are a step back from AMDs jaguar cores if that helps you.

If you really need a more powerful machine you could always yank out that 8gb of ram and whatever else you can use and build a new machine preferably intel. But even a Kaveri CPU will he leaps and bounds faster then those bobcat cores.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:08 am

Based on teh OP the complaint isn't about general performance but about slow performance after a while, like it's slowing down over time. Is that right?
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:34 am

This could be one of a couple things. The first thing I'd check would be to look for a memory leak in some piece of software you have installed. When the computer is slow, press Ctrl-Shift-Esc, hit the Performance tab, and look at the memory usage. If you've got very little shown as Available, it's likely that some badly-written utility is progressively eating up memory until there just isn't any to go around. If you hit the Processes tab and then sort by Memory usage, the offending program usually floats to the top of the list.

The other possibility, given that your machine is an all-in-one, is that it is overheating due to poor ventilation, and the CPU is throttling down to try and cool down. The best way to check for this would be to install a utility like HWMonitor or CoreTemp to see what your CPU temps are getting up to when the system slows down. I'm having a hard time finding authoritative sources on when the AMD E1 chips start to throttle, but it looks like if you're seeing core temperatures over 90C you'd be in throttling territory. That is very, extremely hot for a chip with such a low TDP, though, so I don't think this is likely to be the issue.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:56 am

I installed Speedfan on my mother in laws bobcat based laptop and it worked fine.

I have and still use speedfan on all my PC's to monitor CPU/GPU temps and fan/pump speeds and it still works great...once you get the hang of it you can even control CPU&GPU fan speeds with it. I used to overclock my old xp2400 AMD cpu with it but i do not think it will do that any more.

It also will keep a 10-15minute long temp graph that should allow you to see when your slowdowns are temperature related or memory leak related.
Just do not check the box next to your HDD in the temp graph section, it seems to whack out the graph.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:59 am

Thanks for your suggestions, I never even considered overheating of the CPU but I'll investigate that. Also I'll try a memory upgrade to 16GB? Hopefully I'll be speeding up soon!
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:03 am

Packard Bell!? Holy smokes, I think I just saw a ghost! I didn't even think Packard Bell was still around. I used to have one about 20 years ago. That is seriously cool.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:46 am

It's slow hardware, as others have said, but if it suddenly feels a lot slower than it used to, it's probably some software that you installed, most likely some malware or one of those "helpful" utilies that thrashes your hard drive looking for ways to speed up your PC without ever actually making any improvements. Sometimes you can find that you've installed two antivurus tools at once, McAfee and Norton are often installed without people wanting them as part of another installation, because people click next without unticking the box for bundled crapware like that.

1) Go to "programs and features" in the control panel, sort by installed date, and look for anything suspicious installed recently. Remove anything that's a media player, "Adobe Flash", codec pack, toolbar, PC speedup, registry fixer or other utility that you didn't specifically download for yourself. Most of these things are malware or malicious in some way and people rarely install them intentionally.

2) Make sure your Antivirus is up to date and do a full scan. Avast and Panda are two reasonably decent free ones if you don't already have any AV.

3) Download and run Malware Bytes Anti Malware: https://www.malwarebytes.org/mwb-download/

If your PC is clean, free of malware, free of bloated utilities and still running like a dog, then it might be time for a hardware upgrade - one of the easiest things to do that makes a big difference, even on netbooks and nettops like yours is to change the slow hard drive for an SSD. Some retail kits even include cloning software and a cable that makes transferring your Windows installation and programs a breeze.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:21 am

pic_project wrote:Thanks for your suggestions, I never even considered overheating of the CPU but I'll investigate that. Also I'll try a memory upgrade to 16GB? Hopefully I'll be speeding up soon!


Don't waste your money on more RAM. 8 GB is as much - or even more - than most people need. And that CPU is very slow, most software that requires a lot of memory would run poorly.

What programs do you run?
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:40 am

Buy a cheap 120GB SSD and then do a clean install of Windows.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:52 am

The Egg wrote:Buy a cheap 120GB SSD and then do a clean install of Windows.



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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:33 pm

Windows 7 or 8? You mention both in different posts.

Is your Task Manager pegging at 100% all the time?
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:19 pm

Proxicon wrote:Packard Bell!? Holy smokes, I think I just saw a ghost! I didn't even think Packard Bell was still around. I used to have one about 20 years ago. That is seriously cool.


Ditto, I remember they were big back in the mid 1990s. My boss, at the time, bought one and had nothing but problems with it. I thought they went away a some point after that.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:53 pm

Packard Bell:

1933: Formed to sell RCA superheterodyne radios on the West Coast
1955: Went public
1968: Sold to Teledyne
1986: Group of Israeli investors buy brand from Teledyne
1995: Compaq sues Packard Bell for not disclosing that "new" computers contain used parts
1995: Buys Zenith Data Systems from Groupe Bull but ends up a part of Groupe Bull and NEC
2000: NEC withdraws Packard Bell from the US market
2008: Acer ends up with control of PB through its acquisition of Gateway. Lenovo wanted to buy, but got outbid

Currently HQ'd in Niimegen, Netherlands and wholly-owned by Acer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_Bell
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:24 pm

Looks like there's a step missing -- how/when did Gateway acquire Packard Bell?
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:40 am

just brew it! wrote:Looks like there's a step missing -- how/when did Gateway acquire Packard Bell?

Acer bought Gateway in 2007 and PB in 2008, then smooshed them together.
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Re: Slow Packard Bell OneTwo

Postposted on Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:33 am

Gateway 2000, there's another blast from the past. They were awesome in the mid-1990s. Nice quality stuff, reasonable prices. Mail ordering at its finest. This was back in the days of Zeos, Swan, CompuAdd, Sager, Hyundai, and about a dozen other PC clone makers.

By 2001, things had gotten bad, apparently. My office (at the time) bought about a dozen GW2K workstations and they were, well, junk. They had 80w power supplies that tended to die after about 8 months, the cases were cheap, the MBs were cheap. They were just junky. I replaced more power supplies than I can remember. I'm surprised they were still around in 2007 to be bought by anyone.
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