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Rad9700 reviews

Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:12 pm

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q ... index.html
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzQw
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/r300/default.asp
http://world.altavista.com/sites/dede/pos/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=de_en&url=http://www.hartware.net/review.html?id=251
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,475966,00.asp
http://gamespot.com/gshw/stories/flat/0,12880,2877609-7,00.html

:) So it seems that Rad9700 is about 30-50% faster thanGF4TI4600. Rad9700 can 4xAA at the same sort of hit as 4600 has with 2xAA. Aniso as always is more complex, esp with perf and quality modes for the Rad9700. Anyway it seems clear that Rad9700 has caught up with GF3/GF4TI for Aniso quality and surpassed them in Aniso speed.
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:13 pm

:-? Of course comparing Rad9700 ($400) with GF4TI ($130-250) isn't entirely fair as it is NV30 that is aimed to compete with Rad9700 and is a bit like comparing GF3 to Rad7500, however since Rad9700 and GF4TI are the fastest chips on the market it makes sense to compare them.
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:43 pm

That's a $375-$399 Radeon 9700 Pro stomping all over a $290-$380 GeForce4Ti 4600.

You would be hard-pressed to find a GeForce4Ti 4600 anywhere for as little as twice the $130 that you incorrectly stated.
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:14 pm

;) Right well I didn't say GF4TI4600 $130-250, I really wish you'd read more carefully JAE. I said, "comparing Rad9700 ($400) with GF4TI ($130-250) isn't entirely fair".

:D Everybody in the know knows that GF4TI4200 o/c to GF4TI4400 or GF4TI4600 and this negates the need for the more expensive cards to a large degree. 4200-64MB usually hit 4600 speeds and are $130 while 4200-128MB usually hit 4400 speeds but benefit from the extra 64MB RAM. 4400 are $190 and 4600 are $250, take a look around. As I always point out for GF4TI cards brand makes very little diff, therefore the cheaper cards are fine and there is no need to pay over the odds for a particular manu.
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:21 pm

:lol: 4600 cards suppliers and their US$ prices (price/shipped):

Xtreme Gear 242/242
McGlen Micro 245/251
FTIComputer 245/255
GameVE.com 259/259
OC System 259/269
Allstarshop.com 269/269
NEWEGG.COM 270/270
cnetpc.com 259/273
Micro-Pro, Inc. 269/274
Computer Brain 262/274
Sybercom Info 274/274
ENPC.COM 275/275
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:27 pm

:wink: 4200 64MB & 128MB cards suppliers and their US$ prices (price/shipped):

GameVE.com 129/129
Xtreme Gear 129/129
Allstarshop.com 130/130
FTIComputer 123/131
Avlogic.com 131/131
MainPc Comp 124/131
DV Century 127/133
Alpha Intern 133/133
Knowledgemicro 133/133
NEWEGG.COM 133/133
vww.iitem.com 133/133
Atacom, Inc 133/133
NS Technology 134/134
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:35 pm

Not one of the reviews that I read compared the top-of-the-line Radeon 9700 Pro to an OEM 64MB GF4Ti 4200 with no DVI or TV-out.
 
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radeon 9700 over Ti4600

Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:36 pm

Hi there,

if you ever take a look over the specs of radeon, its really wonderful...but i think ATI hadnt done enough to beat Ti4600 flat. Coz its just a mere 30 plus% over ti4600. i suppose with the technology it would have been much better.

Anyway Ti4600 had managed to stay behind the radeon at considerably good performance, judging how advance radeon was.

Hopefully the new nv 30 core would be out soon enough so that radeonz enjoyment of its REIGN over the Ti s would be "long". And we shall see who has got better stuff

bring it on!
 
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:53 pm

:-? exorcist, 30% faster than 4600 is nothing to sniff at, the diff is closer to double the speed when AA and Aniso come in to play. The biggest thing is that nVidia have clearly been beaten all round! Anyway the competition is great for all of us.

:roll: JustAnEngineer you're like a dog with a stick, yawn! Well to educate you check the links and you will find 99% of these cards sport CRT+DVI+TVout or the equivilent, hardly CRT only. People who know gfx cards know that unlike Radeon cards brand AND oem/retail matters VERY LITTLE for GF4TI cards.

:lol: Now how about admitting you were wrong and how about giving a little respect JAE, you seem to have big probs with both of those things.
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:08 pm

I think your misinterpreting tones Austin
Your bargaining posture is highly dubious.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:11 am

I was wrong. If you search hard enough on Pricewatch, you can buy a cheap GeForce4Ti 4600 for as little as double the $130 that Austin claimed. My bad. :wink:

The comparisons that I have seen have shown the best video cards with NVidia graphics chips against ATI's best card, and the Radeon 9700 Pro has won handily in nearly every test. For someone who wants the best-performing consumer video card on the planet there is absolutely no question that ATI's Radeon 9700 Pro is the best that money can buy.

With a price equal to the most expensive GeForce4Ti 4600s and about 50% more than the cheapest OEM cards, is the Radeon 9700 Pro a good value? If you want to play games at 1280x1024 with 4X full-scene anti-aliasing and 16-tap anisotropic filtering, it is.



http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/radeon9700pro/

This is a good review of the Radeon 9700 Pro by Dave "Wavey" that was not included in the links above.
 
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JustAnEngineer - is that a name I recognise? :D

JustAnEngineer wrote:
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/radeon9700pro/

This is a good review of the Radeon 9700 Pro by Dave "Wavey" that was not included in the links above.


Yeah, sheesh, why wasn't that in the list! ;)
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 6:04 am

;) Hey cool JustAnEngineer, prices have been changing quite dramaticly over the last few weeks ... are nVidia scared? LOL, I think the Rad9700 is simply that fast that nobody is going to pay $300+ for a 4600 when they can have the superb Rad9700 which is a superstar for full AA and Aniso, definitely the best if you can afford it!

:roll: Anyway as I mentioned earlier I said, "comparing Rad9700 ($400) with GF4TI ($130-250) isn't entirely fair". The $130 was for the 4200 cards which o/c to within 10% of the 4600 and cost half the price of 4600 (a third of Rad9700), I think that's more than worth pointing out. In fact the 'special' 4200 cards using the longer design and 3.3ns BGA RAM are under $200 and these do o/c to 4600 levels and beyond, that's still half the price of the Rad9700.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 6:04 am

8) Rad9700 takes only a small hit from 4xAA and good quality Aniso, however comparing this to a 4600 with 4xAA isn't entirely fair. GF4TI cards are designed to use 2xAA and QxAA with very little hit, 4xAA pretty much kills these cards, just like any Aniso level does. All credit to Rad9700 for producing such an excellent card and fantastic AA and Aniso (at last).

:oops: Sorry Dave "Wavey", I rounded up all of the links I found, I expected they'd be a couple more.

:wink: Hey, anybody have any links for where someone can purchase a Rad9700? JAE claims $375

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That's a $375-$399 Radeon 9700 Pro stomping all over a $290-$380 GeForce4Ti 4600.

:P BTW It seems that I was right not wrong (GF4TI cost $130-250 for 4200-4600), and 4600 are certainly in abundance for under $300, erm and they aren't CRT only either LOL!
 
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Methinks I need to stop reading posts about video cards for a while.
Especially after buying a GF4TI4200.
I'm happy with it. :D

But it's like anything else. Don't buy something and then look at information about new stuff. You'd wish you'd waited and gotten the latest thing.

Unless the industry stops producing, there will ALWAYS be a newer latest greatest thing.

Meanwhile (for at least a couple of months) /me = avoiding new video card threads.

See you after my hypersleep is complete. :)
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:25 am

Austin, you're being overly defensive and rude. As punishment for your crime, you must write your next 20 posts WITHOUT the use of emoticons....I don't think you can do it. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:54 am

:wink: I just dislike the way in which certain posts have been made and in particular repeated invalid comments, esp when they cost me a lot of unecessary time proving what I say is valid.

:roll: I never said GF4TI4600 were $130, nor that Rad9700 cards had been compared to 4200 BUT that 4200 esp when o/c'ed give near or better perf than stock 4600 at a much lower price. To alude that there is a huge price or perf difference between GF4TI cards with and without DVI+TVout and the oem versions is a little under-knowledged at best. Plus I'm still waiting for any Rad9700 card available to buy for under $400.

:P And no I'm not about to give up the Emoticons, most people enjoy them, me included!
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:01 am

:roll: That's okay guys, I'll do the ground work:

http://www.enpc.com ATI Rad9700pro 128MB DDR VGA DVI TV OUT AGP Retail $374 inc free shipping ;)

:lol: Also check here:

http://www.dljsystem.com $374
http://www.lynncomp.com $378
http://www.runtimecc.com $404
http://www.computerhq.com $408

:-? I don't believe any of these sites actually have Rad9700 in stock yet though, still very nice for $374+ when they do which should be in a week or two. Makes you wonder what the price will be in Dec/Jan when nVidia's NV30 are released (don't forget the NV18 and NV28 too).
 
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NV30

Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:20 am

Hi. This new ATI card sounds truely amazing, but I'm a Nvidia fanboy....so I'm waiting for their new product (NV30). I always upgrade my graphics cards to the latest and greatest, but not this time, I've been stung too many times by ATI products in the past, so I'm not going to start using them now, I'm sticking with the company I know make solid, reliable products. No disrespect whatsoever to ATI fans/products, the technology behind their cards are awsome, and I'm very impressed, but I like to play safe and stick with the company which I know deliver.
 
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SPEED?! HA!

Tue Aug 20, 2002 2:29 pm

don't much care about 300+ FPS in teh only game i play (Rocket Arena). what I really want to see is a video card with tri-monitor support.
<br>VGA + two flat screens on each side = lots of desktop
1 GHz on a 100 MHz FSB...gotta love technology.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 3:07 pm

I might get the 9000 Pro but right now I'm undecided.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 3:33 pm

dolemitecomputers, what are you upgrading from? I'd go with a 8500 over a 9000pro.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 3:53 pm

Right now a Geforce 3 Ti200.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 4:30 pm

dolemitecomputers: A 9000 pro wont give much of any boost over a gf3ti 200 unfortunately in most applications.
Your bargaining posture is highly dubious.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 4:36 pm

i'd go gf4 4200 over the 9000pro and the 8500.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:04 pm

I might (G4 4200) or even get the 9700 Pro. I was thinking that the 9000 was going to have DX9 hardware features but I guess only the 9700 and NV30 are.....
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:21 pm

;) Here's another review:

http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/vid ... ro/001.htm

:) dolemitecomputers, there is little point in upgrading your GF3TI200. You'd be best to wait it out for 3-6 months and watch the developments. If you aren't running a CPU 1.4ghz+ then this would be a better avenue to explore while the gfx card market sorts itself out. It is only a matter of time before 'budget' ($200ish) versions of the Rad9700 and NV30 come out, in any case buying a card for DX9 is a huge waste of money, by the time it proves useful there will be faster and cheaper DX9 cards available. GF3 cards play all current games very well and there is little gain to be had considering the price costs of GF4TI or Rad9700 cards which are the only cards to give you a perf boost. Sit tight and look at your current config for improvements, buy a gfx card in 3-6 months you'll be gald you did.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 6:28 pm

DaveBaumann wrote:
JustAnEngineer - is that a name I recognise? :D

JustAnEngineer wrote:
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/radeon9700pro/

This is a good review of the Radeon 9700 Pro by Dave "Wavey" that was not included in the links above.


Yeah, sheesh, why wasn't that in the list! ;)


Does The Motley Fool even exist anymore? I had to find a new place to argue with folks about graphics technology after TMF closed the free message boards. I landed here. I am glad to see that you are back to turning out excellent reviews of the latest graphics hardware.

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