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need !your! opinion

Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:55 pm

ok im trying to pick a agp card my sytems gonna be running on a
A7N8X -dx mobo
2100+ o/c


im picking between the gf 4 ti 4200 8x 64
or gf 4 mx 440 8x 64
or ati radeon 9000pro 128
any information would be spectaculer
thanx for your help!!
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:58 pm

i would go with the GF4 4200.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:09 pm

sativa wrote:
i would go with the GF4 4200.
:)

How much does the Ti cost? If there's any way possible of getting ATi 9500 Pro, get that instead.
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:10 pm

That is, you could redistribute the funds in order to get the 9500 Pro - spend a little less on something else.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:25 pm

ok the price for a 9500pro is $240
msi gf-4 mx440 $107
radeon pro 9000 is $116
and the asus g-f 4 ti 4200 is $ 144


i think the 9000 is a reall deal or the mx 440
i donno help help!!
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:12 pm

The MX440 is outdated. Go with one of the other two, they both far outperform the MX line.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:17 pm

so the ti 4200 or 900 pro eh? :-?
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:24 pm

dma101 wrote:
so the ti 4200 or 900 pro eh? :-?
ti 4200
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:51 pm

9500 pro is the best out of your choices and most future prone. :) Its compatible with DX9 and is often faster than the ti4600. 8) It is defenitaly the best graphics card price and performance wise. Currently only the 9700pro is faster. :D
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YBK wrote:
9500 pro is the best out of your choices and most future prone. :) Its comaptibel with DX9 and is often faster than the ti4600. 8) It is defenitaly the best graphics card price and performance wise. Currently only the 9700pro is faster. :D


Don't forget the non-pro 9700.
 
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Yeh, i agree were was my memory then. :lol:
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Consider these:
$65 Sapphire Radeon 9000 64MB, no DVI
$69 Sapphire Radeon 9000 64MB
$78 Sapphire Radeon 9000 64MB, VIVO, no DVI
$84 Sapphire Radeon 9000 Pro 64MB
$87 Sapphire Radeon 9000 128MB
$93 Sapphire Radeon 9000 Pro 128MB

$72 Sapphire Radeon 8500LE 64MB
$73 Sapphire Radeon 9100 64MB
$168 ATI Radeon 8500DV 64MB All-in-Wonder
$88 Sapphire Radeon 8500LE 128MB
$89 Sapphire Radeon 9100 128MB <--Excellent value
$260 ATI Radeon 8500 128MB All-In-Wonder

$85 Gainward GeForce3 Ti200 64MB, no DVI
$93 Palit GeForce3 Ti200 128MB, no DVI
$146 Leadtek GeForce3 Ti200 128MB
$149 Leadtek GeForce3 Ti500 64MB

$109 Compro GeForce4Ti 4200-8X 64MB
$119 Compro GeForce4Ti 4200-8X 64MB VIVO
$120 Abit GeForce4Ti 4200-8X 128MB <--Excellent value
$154 Aopen GeForce4Ti 4200-8X 128MB VIVO
$185 Pine GeForce4Ti 4400 128MB
$185 Gainward GeForce4Ti 4800SE-8X 128MB VIVO
$219 Chaintech GeForce4Ti 4600 128MB
$226 Compro GeForce4Ti 4600 128MB VIVO
$253 Albatron GeForce4Ti 4800 128MB VIVO

$141 Sapphire Radeon 9500 64MB
$162 Sapphire Radeon 9500 128MB

$201 ATI Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB

$242 Sapphire Radeon 9700 128MB
$296 FIC Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB
$379 ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB All-in-Wonder

$404 PNY GeForceFX 128MB

Um lol
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:57 am

I agree with the 9100 128 being an excellent value. I just grabbed one for myself since they are fast stable and cheap. Ti4200 performance for 90 bucks? Can't beat it.
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 2:23 am

Whoa...didn't even know the 9100 was out. Where have I been? :wink:

That's awsome..can't beat that price/perf ratio. :D

Also, looking at the ATI site, it seems they're not offering a 'built by ati' version of the 9100? Bah, I say!

But man...$91 for it! :o
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:16 am

They call it the 8500.

It's been marked as a 9100 so that it can tell a more accurate story about it's performance....the 8500 outperforms the 9000, so ATI called it the 9100 for 'Powered by' manufacturers.

...I think the 8500 LE even outdoes the 9000...anyone wanna correct me?

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Sat Mar 01, 2003 4:17 am

im picking between the gf 4 ti 4200 8x 64
or gf 4 mx 440 8x 64
or ati radeon 9000pro 128


Hi again. Theres no real competiton there matie between the three cards. Out of the three of them, only two of them are DX8 complient, leaving only the R9000pro and GF4 Ti4200 left to consider, as now days, with current advances in games I wouldn't even consider purchasing a DX7 graphics card, which unfortunately the GF4 MX440 only is. Out of the R9000pro and the GF4 Ti4200, I would definately go for the Nvidia this time round. The R9000pro is a cut down version of the R8500. It has a core/memory clock of 275/550mhz, but dispite this clock speed advantage over the GF4 Ti4200 (250/444mhz-260/550mhz), and even a R8500LE (250/500mhz), it tends to perform to a lesser extent in benchies and games than both the alternative cards, due to cut down technicalities in the core e.g can only render half the amount of texture per pass than a R8500LE. A GF4 Ti4200 on the other hand, because of it's brilliant driver optimisation and better clock for clock performance, this is able to outperform both the R9000pro and R8500/LE in the majority of benchmarks and games. Dispite the GF4 Ti's (avaliable for around £140) clear performance advantage, your still going to have to pay around £50 more for the GF4 Ti over a R8500LE (avaliable for around £90), and around £60 over a R9000pro (avaliable for around £80)!
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 9:42 am

I agree that the day of the DX7-accelerating GPU (GeForce 256, GeForce2MX, Radeon/7000/VE, Radeon 7500, GeForce4MX, GeForce2 GTS/Pro/Ti) is past. For gaming today, you want a DX8-class video card. For tomorrow--maybe we should wait until it gets here to decide?

The cards that I listed above all feature hardware acceleration of DirectX 8.0 (GeForce3, GeForce4Ti) or DX 8.1 (Radeon 9000/Pro, Radeon 8500/9100) shaders. The newest cards (Radeon 9500, Radeon 9500 Pro, Radeon 9700/Pro, GeForceFX 5800) feature DirectX 9.0 shaders. No games use these yet, but they will eventually.

Radeon 9100 128MB for $89 is a bargain. In many games, it will outperform the Radeon 9000 Pro that you were considering. This card will run all current games well.

GeForce4Ti 4200 has been the gaming workhorse since it appeared. Now down to just $120 for the 128MB version, it will still play all current games very well. In most older games, it will slightly outperform the Radeon 9100, though not by anywhere near as much as the 35% price premium might suggest.

When Radeon 9700 Pro appeared on shelves in August 2002, DirectX 9.0 acceleration in a gamer's video card became a reality. Unfortunately, we don't yet have games to use these features. Once we do see games using DX9 programmable shaders, the Radeon 9500, Radeon 9500 Pro, Radeon 9700/Pro and GeForceFX will distance themselves from the previous generation of video cards.

This comparison table may help clarify why the Radeon 9100/8500 is superior to the Radeon 9000.
http://www.tech-report.com/etc/comparo/graphics/

If not, try this review of the Radeon 9000 Pro.
http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002 ... dex.x?pg=3
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:24 am

ok i think im ganna get the ti 4200
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:29 am

in the reviews on this site they say the gf-r ti 4200 64 is better then the 128
any body think the same thing
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yeah thats the one i think im ganna get so ill have
a7n8x mobo
2100+ o/c
512 ram
60 gig hard drive
geforce 4 ti 4200 128 ram with 8x

good or bad setup im thinking it will be pretty good ?do you
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:36 pm

Make certain that you get the Thoroughbred (preferably -B) AthlonXP 2100+ rather than the Palomino. WD800JB is a good hard-drive choice.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:40 pm

Definitely the WD JB drives no matter what size. Still get the 3 year warranty and blazing performance. And don't forget to get you DDR in 2 256 chips for max performance. then you can add another 512 later to fill it up ;).
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:53 pm

yeah im defintly gettin a TBred -b from excaliber pc any one ever had any trouble with them
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:wink: An important point is that the Rad9100 is NOT an rebadged Rad8500 but often a Rad8500LE, often slower due to clocks being below 250/250. The Rad9000 only operates like a Rad7500 with DX8 support and is way too slow for moderately serious gaming. As for the Rad9000PRO is certainly much faster and it isn't a bad card at all, however even a Rad8500LE/9100 @ 230/230 easily gives 275/275 Rad9000PRO a run for its money but do beware as some Rad8500LE are clocked as low as 230/166 while some Rad9100 are clocked as low as 230/200, that's an awful perf hit and cheap RAM will kill your o/c. At least Rad9000PRO are far more consistent than the Rad8500/9100 so if you don't want to take a risk or do your homework then Rad9000PRO is a decent choice. Anybody think 3dfx/GF-FX (nVidia) are going to rerelease the GF3 as a GF4TI4000 or GF4MX580 LOL!

:) The 4200 is decently faster than the Rad9100/8500 even if their clocks are where they should be, the GF4TI take MUCH better advantage of a faster CPU. However as JustAnEngineer points out the price diff tends to even that one out.

8) The 4200 64MB vs 128MB has always been of big debate and there's no bad buy as such. Put simply the reason is the 4200_64MB come with higher default clocks and hence slightly faster (and more o/c'able) RAM than the 4200_128MB. However 4200-8X_128MB SHOULD correct this and use the higher clocks and faster RAM meaning you no longer have to compromise, as always there are a few skanky co's. Even concentrating only on the clock speed and perf diff of 4200_64MB and 4200_128MB it shows the 4200_128MB is generally the much better buy. Although few games currently use more than 64MB gfx RAM some do (and this will become more common) esp if you don't want to compromise detail sliders. Add to this the fact that GF4TI archy much like Rad8500 (but not GF3 nor Rad9000PRO) actually gain a little perf whether or not the extra RAM is called upon by the game/app. This makes the perf diff very slight even if the 64MB card is clocked higher (stock or at default) and expect perf to plummet on the 64MB card as soon as more than the 64MB is needed. Once more than 64MB is needed expect a 4200_64MB o/c'ed to 300/600 to drop to stock 4200_128MB perf levels (250/444), since most 4200_128MB tend to hit about 300/550 they are clearly the better choice esp considering the minimal cost. Of course there are enhanced 4200 cards using BGA RAM and the longer 4400/4600 PCB design which almost always yield at least GF4TI4600 perf BUT much like the faster GF4TI the added costs is much better put towards Rad9500PRO - 9700PRO which are MUCH more superior cards in every dept.
 
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opinions please

Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:54 am

i have a dilemma
well.... i want to buy a video card on newegg.com
and i found an albatron video card for 154.99
this is what is included in it...
ALBATRON GeForce 4 TI4280P (NVIDIA GeForce4 TI4200 GPU),8X AGP 128MB DDR, DVI+VGA TV-Out. w/DVI adaptor
Specifications:
Chipset:NVIDIA GeForce4 TI4200 GPU
Memory:128MB DDR Memory
Bus: AGP 8X/4X/2X with AGP Texturing
GPU Clock 250MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 8.0 GB per second
RAMDAC 350MHz
Fill Rate: 4 Billion AA Samples/Sec
Ports: 15-PIN D-Sub / SV-out / DVI
DVI adaptor is included
will this card last me?
and is it worth the money?
and is it a good card and a good upgrade from a geforce 4 mx 420 ?
reply please i need your help!
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:wink: Well Albatron are a fine brand but they do have a dizzying array of gfx cards, esp 4200 based ones. The one you suggest would seem to be a traditional 4200-8X_128MB with 250/500 clocks and the faster TSOP 3.6ns RAM. Basicly it is a fine card but is unlikely to be any better than any other manu's 4200-8X_128MB providing the manu uses 250/500 and 3.6ns (which they all should). It's pretty certain to use 3.6ns type RAM if using 250/500 clocks, do note 8.0GB/s means it has 500mhz RAM while 'up to 8.0GB/s' often means it is 444mhz RAM which only the 4200_128MB (ie non-8X) should use. Even so those aren't hugely slower so check the prices on them too (if they're still available). The only 4200's to be worth the extra money are the ones using BGA RAM and the longer PCB design but you may find a Rad9500PRO costs VERY little more and is MUCH superior to all the GF4TI.

8) This card will last and is a decent card. Its biggest set backs are lack of DX9 support which is unlikely to be of any use for at least 9 months and the big hit that comes from running any more than low-medium AA+AF. Without your current system, likely near future upgrades and reqs it's hard to say how it will last you, Rad9500PRO or Rad9700 will certainly last much better but then they cost more to begin with.

:-? It seems a good card but without competative prices it's hard to say specificly whether it's worth the cash. How much do other 4200-8X_128MB cost and also the other versions of GF4TI4200 and Rad9500PRO?

:) The GF4MX420 is a medium speed GF2 card (between GF2MX and GF2TI)with enhanced '2D' image quality, TVout, dual display (where applicable) and hw DVD playback. Any GF4TI4200 is MUCH faster and more capable, GF4MX are DX7 while GF4TI are DX8, and it's definitely wise to have at least DX8.
 
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Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:04 pm

dma101 wrote:
in the reviews on this site they say the gf-r ti 4200 64 is better then the 128
any body think the same thing


Nooooo! Games that use alot of textures need the extra memory. Sure, the memory on the 64MB card is approximately 56MHz faster (DDR, 28MHz real), but I know my 128MB card OC's way above that, even.

Oh, and you REALLY don't want a GeForce4 MX 420; it's not got DDR memory so the memory bandwidth is half of everythign else, or less. if you *have* to go with a DX 7 card, go with a 440 or better, or a Radeon 7500. But if you're gaming, don't go with a GF4MX at all.
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yeah im going with a geforce4 ti 4200 128 8x
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