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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:30 am

[quote="geekl33tgamer"]Dam my stupid AMD system loosing out by a BIG margin to the dual 770's in vargis14's computer:

Geek,
Do you happen to need another computer? I suggest a DC 4790k with a motherboard that has a nice set of 3 PCIE 16x 3.0 slots like maybe this $249- $229 after 20$ rebate MSI Z97 MPOWER Max AC LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard that will run 3-way AMD CrossFire. But if I recall correctly I believe you sold one of your 290x's. In that case I would think any Crossfire Capable board teamed up with a devils canyon 4790K and your 290X's would definitely squash my Dual 770's

I know you hate to hear it but you really need a Intel system. You could recoup a lot of your expense by selling your MB and CPU combination.
I am sorry Geek but some things just need to be done. Buy the time AMD has a good chip,perhaps ZEN in 5 years if they still have a CPU business you will be able to go AMD again.
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:42 am

vargis14 wrote:
But if I recall correctly I believe you sold one of your 290x's.

Heh, sold it on eBay but the person changed their mind and it was sent back. They hadn't opened it and I've just kept it for now.
Negative scaling with 3 is a pain, as this benchmark shows. Some games do use it right, and throw out 150+ FPS constantly running 5760 x 1200 - so it can work when it wants to.

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I know you hate to hear it but you really need a Intel system.

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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:55 am

Geek, Did you try running just 2 cards? I bet if you didn't your score will go up. 8)
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:14 pm

Don't forget that this game has a lot of NVIDIA bias! My 290X scores worse than my TITAN I had before, even though it's faster in most games. ('ω')

geekl33tgamer, send me a PM if you want to sell that third 290X again! :3c
 
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:02 am

I have decided that I no longer understand computers. On the previous page I run this at 1080 and average 79 FPS. This, was RUN AT FRICKIN 4K and still averaged 70. Makes no sense.

Note: I had to turn of the 8 x AA it applies by default when I did the 1080p run on the previous page. That was the only thing I changed, as it was a slideshow. I have probably got enough overhead here to turn on light 2 x MSAA on this at 4K.

Unigine Valley Benchmark 1.0

FPS:
70.3
Score:
2941
Min FPS:
21.1
Max FPS:
120.7

System

Platform:
Windows 8 (build 9200) 64bit
CPU model:
AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor (4721MHz) x4
GPU model:
AMD Radeon R9 200 Series 14.501.1003.0 (4095MB) x3


Settings

Render:
Direct3D11
Mode:
3840x2160 fullscreen
Preset:
Custom
Quality:
Ultra
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:42 am

Geek,
Like I have been telling you the bandwidth between the CPU and GPU's is bad because of AMD's hyperlink/north bridge bottleneck that is limiting you to 70FPS at 1080p but since 4k is much more GPU dependent and you have plenty of GPU HP this is why you can run 4k at 70fps.
It looks like that CPU is limited to 70fps while communicating with 3 cards.......try running it at a lower resolution like 1024/768 with no AA or anything and I bet you get very close to 70 FPS again because the CPU can only task out around 70 FPS with your setup.
Your CPU is splitting up all its Bandwidth to talk tp 3 GPU's...see what happens when it only has to talk to one:)
But remove 2 cards and run a single card I bet you FPS at 1024/768 goes up a LOT!

Also remember the 290's do not have a Crossfire bridge so all the cards talking to each other are eating up even more of your PCIE bandwidth!!! I bet if you had my 770's that had a SLI bridge it would score like my 2600k or pretty close. When you get the 980's that do use a SLI bridge to talk to each other and not the PCIE bus I think your result will be great but not quite as good as a Intel CPU but WAY better then before.

Just run 1024/768 with your 3 cards then remove 2 and run the same test with a single card and you will see what I am talking about and you will understand bud. CYA!!
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:14 am

vargis14 wrote:
Also remember the 290's do not have a Crossfire bridge so all the cards talking to each other are eating up even more of your PCIE bandwidth!!! I bet if you had my 770's that had a SLI bridge it would score like my 2600k or pretty close. When you get the 980's that do use a SLI bridge to talk to each other and not the PCIE bus I think your result will be great but not quite as good as a Intel CPU but WAY better then before.
Keep in mind that the SLI bridge is primarily used for frame pacing and synchronization data at this point. Some NVIDIA GPUs can run SLI without the bridge; they do it the same way AMD 290X does -- over the PCIe bus, which is how most SLI data is shared.

The 290X's removal of the bridge is a significant advantage, not a disadvantage; XDMA Crossfire (along with newer drivers) is what allows the newer AMD GPUs to have more consistent Crossfire performance than before.
 
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:14 pm

Here is a run where my CPU is slower at 4659 or so I overclocked my GPU cores 26mhz over there normal 1280 boost to 1306.4mhz and memory is actually lower ar 1923mhz on stock volts since I cleared my profiles with a EVGA precision update. It stayed the same as my test with a higher memory speed but lower core. tested twice same identical score. Wonder if memory bandwidth play much of a part. going to try a higher memory setting.

Unigine Valley Benchmark 1.0

FPS:
99.6
Score:
4169
Min FPS:
38.5
Max FPS:
183.8
System

Platform:
Windows 7 (build 7601, Service Pack 1) 64bit
CPU model:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (3410MHz) x4
GPU model:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 9.18.13.4752 (4095MB) x2
Settings

Render:
Direct3D11
Mode:
1920x1080 8xAA fullscreen
Preset
Extreme HD
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:52 pm

Ran again but boosted the memory clock to 2103MHz. I'll be rebuilding my system this summer, but I'll still be using the 980. We'll see what I get off that system!

FPS: 72.5
Score: 3035
Min: 32.5
Max: 136.2

Updated the sheet too: http://linserv.biz.tm/dat/TR_Valley_Bench_Results.xlsx
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:25 pm

Here is my updated test identical to the previous one with the only difference being the memory frequency that I turned up to 1998mhz from 1923mhz but using the same core speed of 1306mhz Again I ran the test twice and it was within 1 point. A substantial increase with more memory bandwidth. I will try to get it side by side with the new on the left. But I a really surprised by a 157point gain from just a 75mhz "or 300mhz if you want to multiply it by 4" increase in memory speed, Impressive
EDIT: Broke out caculator with a 3.7% increase in memory speed worked out to be like a 3.6% increase in score...I am stunned it increased so precisely..its kinda uncanny but very neat. I guess this benchmark with 8xAA is very memory bandwidth sensitive.

Unigine Valley Benchmark 1.0 Unigine Valley Benchmark 1.0
1306 core 1998 mem previous test 1306 core 1923 mem
FPS: previous test FPS:
103.4 previous test 99.6
Score: previous test Score:
4326 previous test 4169
Min FPS: previous test Min FPS:
38.3 previous test 38.5
Max FPS: previous test Max FPS:
180.9 previous test 183.8
System previous test System
previous test Nothing else is different both test ran at 4659-4660mhz on the 2600k according to CPUz
Platform:
Windows 7 (build 7601, Service Pack 1) 64bit
CPU model:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (3434MHz) x4
GPU model:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 9.18.13.4788 (4095MB) x2
Settings

Render:
Direct3D11
Mode:
1920x1080 8xAA fullscreen
Preset
Extreme HD
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:13 am

vargis14 wrote:
Geek,
Like I have been telling you the bandwidth between the CPU and GPU's is bad because of AMD's hyperlink/north bridge bottleneck that is limiting you to 70FPS at 1080p


Nope. It was the Radeon graphics cards (my Radeon scores are in red). Nothing else in my system has changed and it's a LOT FASTER:

Unigine Valley Benchmark 1.0

FPS:
90.5 78.6
Score:
3694 3291
Min FPS:
34.8 13.7
Max FPS:
144.8 130.2

System

Platform:
Windows 8 (build 9200) 64bit
CPU model:
AMD FX(tm)-9590 Eight-Core Processor (4721MHz) x4
GPU model:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 9.18.13.4788 (4095MB) x2
AMD Radeon R9 200 Series 14.501.1003.0 (4095MB) x3

Settings

Render:
Direct3D11
Mode:
1920x1080 8xAA fullscreen
Preset
Extreme HD

It's a definite home run for Nvidia. God only knows what mess AMD's software was doing in Crossfire - Glad I got rid of them.

Edit: From a quick google, my single and dual GPU scores for the 970's are within 5% of other tests posted when ran using Ivy and Haswell i5 and i7 CPU's. Fair to say my FX-9590 probably isn't holding them up. So I need to ask vargis14, HOW are you getting SLI GTX 770's posting those FPS numbers?
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:53 am

Geek,
I have no Idea how I am beating 2 970's in SLI??? Especially since my GTX 770's are slower then GTX 970 but a good bit faster then a GTX 960 it has me thinking.

In the Nvidia control panel are you using global settings or specific games or benchmark settings for each game in the 3d adjustment tab? I am using the individual game settings. When you go into your 3d setting your global setting will come up by default but at the top of that screen you will have the application/game settings you can select. It takes a little time to find all your games and 3D applications
but once it does you can set your individual settings for each game/application without using GeForce EXP.

Once it finds all your games and applications select for example Valley benchmark. I have everything set to Nvidias recommended settings.
Here are my Valley settings...had to run upstairs to get them
Ambient occlusion not supported
AF= off
AA=FXAA off
AA=Gamma off
AA=Application controlled
All cudas selected
Max pre rendered frames =App controlled
Single Display performance mode
Power=Max performance...not adaptive
SLI rendering= NV recommended
Shader Cache on
next 4 texture filtering setting are off, allow,Quality and On
Threaded optimization=On
Triple Buffering = off
Vr pre rendered frames=Application controlled, though I do not think this makes any difference.

Also make sure you check the only games on this PC BOX then it will ..., ..., ... while it searches your PC for what you have installed.

Please run ASAP I hope this helps for you. I personally like setting each games settings to my personal preference without using GeForce Experience since I feel it is way too conservative. Like when I went to play War Thunder Ground forces I opened GFE and it had optimal settings lowering my native resolution to 2560x1080 instead of my Native 3440x1440 resoltuion. Also I have every setting maxed to the gills in game except FXAA that makes the whole screen look blurry in a lot of cases and I was running between 120fps and 160 FPS with low Frames at maybe 100fps so I really do not trust GFE's optimal setting in no shape way or form. Be careful with that 4k monitor and only use 2xaa at most since I think since you cannot use all 4gb of your ram without a penalty with the 970's. Also I hope you bought EVGA so you have 90 days to step up to 980's which with that 4k monitor would probably be best. If not ohh well the 970 is a fine card. Also if you can find a way to disable one core from each module so it does not have to share any resources on your CPU it might be worth trying it with all cores enabled then with one core from each module disabled. It might be neat to see what happens.
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EDIT: If you want me to run with different settings give them to me and I will do it. If for some reason you cannot run at my settings "unlikely" BTW what brand 970 cards did you get anyway?
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:50 am

The Nvidia settings are on defaults, so match yours anyway. The card's I bought are the Asus Strix ones: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =GX-352-AS

The widely held belief that my CPU is the cause is complete nonsense. I've had more time to look over the many screenshots of this benchmark tool that you can find on a Google search. Most are posted using the Extreme HD settings that I always use, with typically Ivy or Haswell i5/7's. The scores, give or take 100 and 1-2 FPS are exactly the same, so my CPU is not causing any noticeable performance impact if you look at it logically where this test is concerned.

That RAM issue got overdone to death too - just look at the benches on this site and others of the 970 at 4K. You give one of them a little bump on the clock speeds into the 1400Mhz territory and it's beats the stock clocked GTX 980 at 1080, 1440 and 4K. So much for that performance discrepancy when you fill that video buffer.

Googling the term Valley Benchmark GTX 770 throws up a lot of screenshots of systems like yours - single cards are generally averaging 52FPS / 2200-2400 score on Extreme HD. It took me longer to find an SLI result, and it's for the GTX 680 (same chip / clocks - only 2GB vram), but look: http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc3 ... 1b0d09.png

Your results don't make sense (sorry). :-)
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:26 am

Well I am not fabricating them if that is what you are saying. Once i figure out how to post a screenshot I will gladly post them.
I still have the saved results so any insight on how to post my pics of my saved results instead of me copying and pasting them would be appreciated.

Ohh if you think I am fabricating my scores I am going to be very upset and disappointed. I may not have a full grasp on proper english writing but I am no liar. :evil:

I looked at your pic you posted on the 680s...for one thing you cannot use the core and memory speeds posted since Valley reads mine higher than they really are and as my last test showed memory bandwidth seems to play an important role since a 3.7% increase netted me a 3.6% increase in score.

Ship those 970's to me and lets see what they score on a intel system :) Kudos to ya though for going Nvidia now all you need is a Intel system to run them to their full potential...poke ..poke.

But it is known a Intel system gets a little more out of multi card setups compared to AMD based systems especially when they are clocked almost at identical speeds..your 4700 something and my 4660. I always supported your rig hoping for the best, the Nvidia cards definitely will help but your core is still AMD and they will always be a step behind any intel chip with PCIE lane coupled directly to the CPU without a northbridge. Though I do have High hopes for ZEN but will probably be disappointed by AMD as usual :(

Another edit: I have my core parking disabled which was a sore spot here for a lot of people saying it was snake oil but on windows 7 it is definitely not snake oil..Core parking has no place on the desktop....keep it on laptops thank you. Also my friend with a 280x and a fx8320 was running win7 and I had him disable his core parking and he noticed the difference along with a increase in performance in BF3 and BF4 so to the people who say it does not work with FX chips I have to say according to my friends experience they are wrong. Not sure if he had increases in anything else since I have not talked to him in a long while. Also he noticed this running a single 8gb stick of 1866 memory and he was getting a matching stick so he could have the full dual channel memory bandwidth but even after 2 weeks of him having a new CPU cooler Hyper 212 evo and a new stick of memory he was so lazy I never got to find out what his perception was running dual channel over single channel. I have to give him a call but it is a bit too late.
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:06 am

I have had Skyrim since it was new but I lost interest in it Quickly and have not touched it in at least 3years.

BlueSalt could you please post all the graphic mods in those screenshots and you can add some more that are very ram intensive since I have a 4GB frame buffer and I would like to use it all and see how it looks at 3440-1440 resolution? Perhaps the eye candy will make me interested in the game again. I figure why waste a perfectly good game :)
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:37 am

Updated once again. I tried to push my 980 further, but the results were so minuscule it was not worth it. (.1 is just sad)

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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:00 pm

geekl33tgamer wrote:
The Nvidia settings are on defaults, so match yours anyway. The card's I bought are the Asus Strix ones: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =GX-352-AS

The widely held belief that my CPU is the cause is complete nonsense. I've had more time to look over the many screenshots of this benchmark tool that you can find on a Google search. Most are posted using the Extreme HD settings that I always use, with typically Ivy or Haswell i5/7's. The scores, give or take 100 and 1-2 FPS are exactly the same, so my CPU is not causing any noticeable performance impact if you look at it logically where this test is concerned.

That RAM issue got overdone to death too - just look at the benches on this site and others of the 970 at 4K. You give one of them a little bump on the clock speeds into the 1400Mhz territory and it's beats the stock clocked GTX 980 at 1080, 1440 and 4K. So much for that performance discrepancy when you fill that video buffer.

Googling the term Valley Benchmark GTX 770 throws up a lot of screenshots of systems like yours - single cards are generally averaging 52FPS / 2200-2400 score on Extreme HD. It took me longer to find an SLI result, and it's for the GTX 680 (same chip / clocks - only 2GB vram), but look: http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc3 ... 1b0d09.png

Your results don't make sense (sorry). :-)


I'm replying to a 2015 post but ClickClick5 just posted his spreadsheet and it shows my 770 SLI results matching those of vargis14.

Guru3D shows that AMD does not fare well even today (scroll down to "Hows AMD holding up?").
 
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Re: New Unigine "Valley" Benchmark

Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:18 pm

Hey peeps, with the new benchmark coming out from them, I'll be done with the Valley. I'll create a new sheet, and request this info from you all!

-CPU (model and speed)
-RAM (Ram amount and speed)
-GPU (model, gpu clock, vram clock)
-GPU driver version
-OS
-Min score
-Avg socre
-Max score
-...total over-all score?

Woo!

EDIT: forgot to paste the link: https://unigine.com/en/products/benchmarks/superposition
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