spigzone wrote:whiners that are too lazy to, or are unable to, mount
morphine wrote:I'm having a problem seeing the point of this thread. Unless it develops one fairly quickly, it's going down to Lockville.
Please don't, it's actually hilarious.
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spigzone wrote:whiners that are too lazy to, or are unable to, mount
morphine wrote:I'm having a problem seeing the point of this thread. Unless it develops one fairly quickly, it's going down to Lockville.
superjawes wrote:spigzone, your OP is a prediction that makes a series of assumptions. Namely that AMD will do no wrong and Nvidia will simply roll over. That key assumption is flawed by the state of each company's financials. AMD is making a move for market dominance, but they are doing so on the back of a series of layoffs, losses, and inferior product performance in the desktop GPU and CPU field.
Nvidia, on the other hand, has been quite content with its own hardware, which has at times outperformed faster AMD chips. The 700 series is better tuned than the 600 series, but uses the same silicon simply because Nvidia doesn't need to release anything better, at least not yet. I am sure that Nvidia engineers are hard at work on the next generation of Nvidia GPUs, and depending on where that generation is in development, it might be able to respond to the R9 290X and Mantle without losing much performance (if it isn't already accounting for it). And let's punctuate this by pointing out that Nvidia is in good financial state.
Those are the big ones but you do make other assumptions. Take, for instance, the role of consoles over the next 8 years or so. That assumes that these consoles will perform well, and that console gamers don't start jumping ship for alternatives, like Steam Machines. The price alone could be problematic if Valve can help bring down the cost of a living room PC, offering a more functional gateway to PC gaming. That is going to be a defining point of this console generation because both Sony and Microsoft have been and will continue to advance digital distribution, a field that is already dominated by Valve. If they can bring Steam to a console form, both companies will become very nervous.
That uncertainty casts doubt on the potential success of Mantle as well, and there's no guarantee that Mantle will catch on. And even if it does, that doesn't mean that AMD hardware will always perform better. As I already pointed out, Nvidia has been doing better with slower hardware, they've been posting profits, and they haven't had to release new GPUs or GPU architecture in some time because of their dominance. That gives them a lot of cushion to react to and potentially negate AMD's advantage.
It's fun to speculate occasionally, but understand that it is only speculation.
Nvidia is doing a number of things to fight back, Nvidia Tablet, Shield, working with Steam, GRID etc....What I am asserting is that the HSA initiave, Mantle, GCN and Kaveri will be such an overwhelming advantage for AMD there is nothing Nvidia CAN do to effectively stop AMD from establishing a gaming hegemony.
Pre-orders are smashing old records. There is avid interest in the new consoles. The gameplay, AI and visuals will be incredible. Why on earth wouldn't they be successful?
The price is already affordable compared to last generation and those prices do go down over time, as you know.
Valve can do nothing to being down the cost of a living room PC.
AMD already verified it is collaborating on Mantle with several major developers in addition to EA.
Once Mantle is integrated into the major game engines Mantle optimized ports will be all but free to those major developers.
Prestige Worldwide wrote:lol'd @ self-quoting
Damage wrote:Spigzone has been banned for corporate shilling.
morphine wrote:Aaaand, Mantle won't be available on the XBox one: clicky.