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Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:27 pm

I am going to move the 7850 in my gaming build into my HTPC, so I need a new card for my gaming build and I could use some help making the choice. The move doesn't have to happen until early January, so I have some time (comon Cyber Monday deals!).

I currently game on a 1080p TV and don't have any plans to upgrade to 1600p, 4K or multiple monitors. I like all the eye candy turned up and my frames delivered at a rock steady 60 frames per second. I'm currently playing Star Wars: The Old Republic, but I tend to enjoy single player FPS (no BF4 or COD for me) and 3rd person action games. Since I only game at 1080p, I don't think anything more than 2gb is needed - please correct me if I am wrong.

My budget is up to $400, though I'd like to spend less than $350. So, my question is, what card should I get to max out games at 1080p for the next few years? OR should I save the cash, and just get a cheap card for the HTPC? I'll point out that I've never felt my 7850 was underpowered for anything I've thrown at it.

I'm not partial to NVIDIA or AMD, but I was looking at a GTX 760 or 770 since the 280X is largely out of stock at Newegg. Either this EVGA 760 for about $250 or this EVGA 770 for about $312 AR. Even if the 280X were in stock, its only $12 cheaper than the 770 and doesn't come with any games (the games are just gravy, but all else being equal, they are nice).

I guess the basic questions are: (1) Is the 760 or 770 the better bet for a bit of future-proofing without excessive overkill; (2) is there any current game, or one in the pipeline, that would be likely to tax the 760 at 1080p; and (3) even if the 770 is overkill, would the $60 extra spent on it be worth it and maybe get me another year out of the card?

Thanks all!

EDIT: Other question(s): (1) What about Mantle? Is it a legit enough development to swing in favor of an AMD card?
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:46 pm

Radeon HD7950 seems to be out of stock at the usual places, or I would recommend it as a very good performer at 1080p.
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:48 pm

If you are going to play games that support Mantle then it does look like it is going to be a big deal, I would try and find a good deal on a 280X or a 7970 card if you don't plan on upgrading it for a few years.
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:20 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:Radeon HD7950 seems to be out of stock at the usual places, or I would recommend it as a very good performer at 1080p.


I hear that. Wish I would have thought of this a month ago when 79XX cards were on crazy sales. Even a Tahiti LE 7870 would have been really solid.

I'm thinking I can get away with another 7850 at $110 for now and see how things develop. I like the idea of getting a new solid mid-range card, but I also don't feel like I need anything other than a 7850 at the moment. I guess I can also crossfire them if I decide to pull the 7850 back out of the HTPC. Not a huge fan of using two graphics cards, but two 7850s should give me R9 280x or better performance if the game supports crossfire.
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:05 pm

I suggest waiting until Monday to check for more sales.
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:11 am

southrncomfortjm wrote:I'm thinking I can get away with another 7850 at $110 for now and see how things develop. I like the idea of getting a new solid mid-range card, but I also don't feel like I need anything other than a 7850 at the moment. I guess I can also crossfire them if I decide to pull the 7850 back out of the HTPC. Not a huge fan of using two graphics cards, but two 7850s should give me R9 280x or better performance if the game supports crossfire.

For pennies more you can pick up a 7870, which should do nicely in 1080p. I've seen them going for as little as $130 lately (after rebate.)

I wouldn't crossfire any pre-R9 290 card; lack of DX9 support in the frame pacing is a dealbreaker imo.

By the way, contrary to what seems to be becoming conventional "wisdom" on forums these days, the resolution at which you play has relatively little impact on the video memory required compared to the games which you are playing. That is, which game you are playing matters much more than your choice of resolution; game assets (textures, models, etc) take up the bulk of your VRAM.

2GB is plenty of video RAM for anything out at this time, but it may become a bottleneck in a year or two as developers take advantage of the big shared memory pools on the Xbone and PS4 (and by that point it's likely you'll want/need a faster GPU anyway.)
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:59 pm

auxy wrote:For pennies more you can pick up a 7870, which should do nicely in 1080p. I've seen them going for as little as $130 lately (after rebate.)

I wouldn't crossfire any pre-R9 290 card; lack of DX9 support in the frame pacing is a dealbreaker imo.

By the way, contrary to what seems to be becoming conventional "wisdom" on forums these days, the resolution at which you play has relatively little impact on the video memory required compared to the games which you are playing. That is, which game you are playing matters much more than your choice of resolution; game assets (textures, models, etc) take up the bulk of your VRAM.

2GB is plenty of video RAM for anything out at this time, but it may become a bottleneck in a year or two as developers take advantage of the big shared memory pools on the Xbone and PS4 (and by that point it's likely you'll want/need a faster GPU anyway.)


I keep forgetting about that frame pacing issue. Will have to keep an eye on it.

Interesting that resolution isn't that big of an issue in the amount of VRAM you use. I figure higher resolutions mean more detailed textures which would use more vram.

More I read, more I'm leaning towards a cheap stopgap for now while I save a bit more and be ready to get a solid GTX 8XX or next gen Radeon OR a current gen card at half the price.
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:04 pm

Next generation cards will come next summer with TSMC's next manufacturing process shrink.
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:14 pm

southrncomfortjim wrote:I keep forgetting about that frame pacing issue. Will have to keep an eye on it.

Interesting that resolution isn't that big of an issue in the amount of VRAM you use. I figure higher resolutions mean more detailed textures which would use more vram.

More I read, more I'm leaning towards a cheap stopgap for now while I save a bit more and be ready to get a solid GTX 8XX or next gen Radeon OR a current gen card at half the price.

You can't magically produce higher-resolution textures than the game includes. Most games try to keep their texture budget for a scene under 400MB due to limitations on PS3/Xbox 360. Some PC ports do include higher resolution textures, but it's difficult to exceed 2GB on all but a very select few titles.

Higher resolutions do use more memory, but it takes some very exotic hardware (multi-monitors, and multi-GPU) to really display OR drive high enough resolutions that it becomes an issue over the game's assets. I myself had this question recently and made a thread where I was proven correct.

Your stopgap solution is a good idea, since next-gen GPUs will be more suited to running the kind of games we are likely to see in the coming years.
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Re: Top card for 1080p gaming

Postposted on Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:16 pm

If Cyber Monday brings Radeon HD7950 3GB cards around $200 to $225 as we saw last month, jump on that.
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