Ryu Connor wrote:That's not the feature I'm talking about.
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Aphasia wrote:Actually, I find that Steam feature pretty handy since steam is reading the raw registry entires which makes it much easier to see which hotfixes you have applied since are all available in the same place instead of you having to look both in the control panel "program and features" and update history in windows. The biggest problem is that since that information is available to valve, since they send that data in with the hardware survey, they could in reality share that information with third parties, since the eula allows them to do that. They only need to use a broad description of what constitutes a service for valve. The only thing they do say is that they don't share to third parties for marketing purposes.
Captain Ned wrote:Leet-gamer, we do get it. You want each and every program installed on your box to ask specific permission before it transmits data back home and to identify exactly which data it will transmit before you agree/disagree. While in many ways I agree that this is a laudable goal I've also spent a half-century on this fair Earth and have come to realize that this simply isn't going to happen no matter how loudly you shove your fingers in your ears. It's impossible and getting angsty about it does bad things to my blood pressure. The vast population of clusers will always be more important to the EAs and MSs of this world than the fired-up Rebel Leaders.
Captain Ned wrote:You do run Windows Update, do you not? I can't understand why you're getting all pissy about EA knowing a small subset of everything you transmit to Microsoft in a single Windows Update session.
Aphasia wrote:What I find more draconian is that Valve actually acts as a broker for monetary transactions
Aphasia wrote:they don't have any easy way to for you to get support
Aphasia wrote:except via a web forum and a support form
Aphasia wrote:no phone numbers easily available
Aphasia wrote:the ability to allow for refunds
Ryu Connor wrote:frankly neither of them should be trusted.
Aphasia wrote:You really don't get it do you.
Aphasia wrote:Secondary venues of communication as phone and other means of identification is a very good way to solve that problem, not to mention having that as a service to customers is a good thing. This doesn't have anything to do with a PC centric crowd or not, because the times you are likely to need support are the times where your pc are more likely to be unavailable as means to do that.
Aphasia wrote:And considering your use of inherently localized references and badly worded analogues, you could just as well have been saying Tuesdays, because that would have made as much sense to me, that is, none at all.
Aphasia wrote:At least EA seems to try to make amends for past transgression, something I don't really see Valve doing much. Both the Origin Humble Bundle and the ability to allow for refunds is something good and something I really hope will stick to Valve to in time. And from a publisher characterized in most cases as being draconian, it seems almost saintly. Valve on the other hand, still continues to be run with some oddly questionable practices with regards to how they interact with developers and publishers and the market with both pricing and monetary allotment for DLC, etc.
Aphasia wrote:Considering that, it cant really be that hard for a company with more customers then we have population to achieve something that much easier considering they already have centralized infrastructure for authentication.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:I don't agree with phone authentication either. Not unless it's done through a secure app. I think basic text would be insecure for online banking, and I would refuse to use such a system if it was the only method available.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:So it's secondary with a temporary pin. But how secure really are cellphones? We know the government intercepts everyone's texts, so why can't a 3rd party? This only hinders low level thieves, from what it sounds like, and I don't like additional steps to get where I'm going. Day traders yes, steam games no.
Ryu Connor wrote:When you mention the phone support experience I take it that was the same ME3 key issue I bumped into? That did turn out to be a positive experience with me and their support. Their phone support has helped others on this forum as well. It's certainly a vast cry of difference as compared to Steam's terrible support.
Ryu Connor wrote:As for Valve their management design makes them an insular company. Being a private instead of public entity certainly helps isolate them as well. Being the juggernaut of digital game distribution also gives them a lot of power. When EA stepped away over the argument regarding DLC no one really seemed to analyze the situation as, "Steam is so big only a major corp can say no and they have to have their own distribution system to do it." No one discussed the fact that Steam has a monopolistic stranglehold on the market. Instead everyone got pissed they had to have some other service installed.
Aphasia wrote:Every time somebody even tried to bring it up, and I say this from experience, they got clobbered by Steam fanboys that can't believe anything bad about their favorite pet drm/distribution network. Most of them doesn't even seem to have tried Origin before condemning it as the spawn of the hell.
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