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Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:19 am
by idchafee
Manny Ramirez suspended 50 games for testing positive for steroids

Any time something bad happens to Manny, I lol.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:22 am
by Fighthouse
Is that with or without pay?

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:25 am
by derFunkenstein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-man ... 4894.story

Without pay. He'll lose approx 7.7M according to the Times.

I agree with stiffie, I lol at him, A-Rod, Carlos Zambrano, and a handful of other jerkfaces whenever something goes awry.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:25 am
by idchafee
Fighthouse wrote:
Is that with or without pay?


I believe its unpiad

edit: Curses! Beaten by Derfunkenstein!

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:27 am
by idchafee
derFunkenstein wrote:
I agree with stiffie, I lol at [snip]...Carlos Zambrano, and a handful of other jerkfaces whenever something goes awry.


Hey now.....

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:28 am
by derFunkenstein
well I don't mean you laugh at Hot Charlie (the Chicago Steamer?), but I agree there are certain athletes worth LOLing at. My list just includes Zambrano. I'm sure your list includes Carpenter. :p

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:30 am
by mattsteg
That's gotta smart.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:31 am
by idchafee
derFunkenstein wrote:
well I don't mean you laugh at Hot Charlie, but I agree there are certain athletes worth LOLing at. My list just includes Zambrano. I'm sure your list includes Carpenter. :p


Actually, no. I like Carpenter, he was on my fantasy team when he was a Blue Jay. I was glad to see him do well. It doesn't break my heart that he's hurt though, since I think the Cubs will need all the help they can get to catch the Cardinals (who are substantially better than I expected them to be).

Now, if you want to talk about David Eckstein or the Unholy Triumvirate of Joaquin Andujar, John Tudor and Ozzie Smith....

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:39 am
by derFunkenstein
John Tudor was the first swear word I ever saw on live TV. It was during game 7 of the 1985 World Series after he gave up a home run. I was 7. It was magic - until that time, I thought the only person to say f*** was my dad.

edit: FWIW, there are some Cubs that I'd never want to see anything bad happen to. I love - covet, even - Aramis for Men (my wife's nickname for him), and I liked Big Dick Harden when he was in Oakland (as long as he stayed healthy) and was genuinely worried that if he stayed healthy in Chicago that it'd be a great thing for the Cubs. But Zambrano and Soriano can DIAF. :lol:

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:49 am
by idchafee
derFunkenstein wrote:
John Tudor was the first swear word I ever saw on live TV. It was during game 7 of the 1985 World Series after he gave up a home run. I was 7. It was magic - until that time, I thought the only person to say f*** was my dad.


http://www.ihatejohntudor.com/

I bought domain in a drunken haze last summer, after Tudor came into a Cubs-Cardinals Old Timers Game in Joliet, IL. He's 50-some years old now and he STILL went 1-2-3 in the only inning he pitched. He came in to a chorus of boos from Section 110, Row 3, Seat 11 and he left to the same chorus. God, I hate that guy.

derFunkenstein wrote:
Soriano can DIAF. :lol:


One thing we can agree on. :lol:

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:17 pm
by tanker27
Dumb@$$ and he makes the Dodgers look bad in the process.......

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:20 pm
by derFunkenstein
makes you wonder if rumblings of "manny's on teh stuff" were going through baseball during the offseason, and it WASN'T entirely because he was asking for too much for too long of a contract.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:23 pm
by UberGerbil
derFunkenstein wrote:
I agree with stiffie, I lol at him, A-Rod, Carlos Zambrano, and a handful of other jerkfaces whenever something goes awry.
This will always be the way I remember Manny.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:32 pm
by derFunkenstein
I love the second comment:

Maybe Manny, like the rest of us, expected Damon's arm to come up short.


But yeah, that was an all-time great play. :lol: Too bad the link in the article for a video is dead.

edit: here we go. second on the right-hand side.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2004/tyi ... looper.jsp

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:37 pm
by BlackJammy
Oh, I'm sure there will be more big names to come this season. Some of these guys who are putting up some of these unreal numbers are probably juiced. I'm still waiting for the other 103 on that list on which A-Rod was on. *sigh*

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:03 pm
by UberGerbil
derFunkenstein wrote:
I love the second comment:
Maybe Manny, like the rest of us, expected Damon's arm to come up short.
After Swisher pitched his inning I was reading a thread in which people were proposing other position players they'd like to see pitch. My favorite: "Johnny Damon: he'd be like Jamie Moyer, but without the fastball"

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:55 pm
by derFunkenstein
BlackJammy wrote:
Oh, I'm sure there will be more big names to come this season. Some of these guys who are putting up some of these unreal numbers are probably juiced. I'm still waiting for the other 103 on that list on which A-Rod was on. *sigh*

You won't see that list because A-Rod's name was already an illegal leak.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 2:28 pm
by Skrying
His handling of this has been extremely well done and honestly it comes across as being true. He isn't going to challenge this, he accepted responsibility, he pointed out that he's passed numerous drug tests over the past few years. Really he could walk away with this still being a first ballot Hall of Famer if the doctor says that this is indeed what happens and the front office of the MLB doesn't try to drag him through the dirt.

I like Manny, I like Manny a hell of a lot more than anyone else who has been caught. Nothing about Manny has ever suggested his talent required use of a performance-enhancing drug. I think this is bad for baseball as a whole depending on how it goes. But, I think if there is a absolute super star who could walk away looking truly regretful about a mistake and not trying to get an edge... it is Manny.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:17 am
by idchafee
derFunkenstein wrote:
You won't see that list because A-Rod's name was already an illegal leak.


Who's to say that other names won't leak the same way, or the whole list leaks the same way?

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:39 am
by mattsteg
Skrying wrote:
His handling of this has been extremely well done and honestly it comes across as being true.
Was he having difficulty conceiving?

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:04 am
by Skrying
mattsteg wrote:
Skrying wrote:
His handling of this has been extremely well done and honestly it comes across as being true.
Was he having difficulty conceiving?


Maybe? So far he's simply handled it better than every other player who has been caught/seriously suspected. Manny is the type of person who could be seen as the last domino to fall. Could signal a "healing" processor of some sorts that will give him a lot more forgiveness than a player of Bonds type could ever have. Manny could still end up in the Hall of Fame if all done right and some plausible explaining was done.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:19 am
by mattsteg
Skrying wrote:
mattsteg wrote:
Skrying wrote:
His handling of this has been extremely well done and honestly it comes across as being true.
Was he having difficulty conceiving?
Maybe?
I didn't realize Manny had a uterus. Maybe they should have hired him instead of the governator to star in Junior.
Skrying wrote:
So far he's simply handled it better than every other player who has been caught/seriously suspected.
Claiming that he has an undisclosed personal medical problem that requires him to jet across the country to see some random doctor rather than a team physician and take a female fertility drug that just happens to have common performance-enhancing uses as well isn't really "handling it better." What idiot doctor would give him such a medication for any legitimate ailment without seeking approval from MLB? Seriously dude, take off the LA anti-reality goggles and look at this thing with a critical eye. So far we've got elevated testosterone, a positive test for a female fertility drug commonly used after steroid cycles and sometimes as a performance enhancer on its own, and a lame excuse from Manny.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 12:31 pm
by derFunkenstein
idchafee wrote:
derFunkenstein wrote:
You won't see that list because A-Rod's name was already an illegal leak.


Who's to say that other names won't leak the same way, or the whole list leaks the same way?

I think if it was going to happen, it already would have, that's all.

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:21 pm
by Skrying
mattsteg wrote:
Claiming that he has an undisclosed personal medical problem that requires him to jet across the country to see some random doctor rather than a team physician and take a female fertility drug that just happens to have common performance-enhancing uses as well isn't really "handling it better." What idiot doctor would give him such a medication for any legitimate ailment without seeking approval from MLB? Seriously dude, take off the LA anti-reality goggles and look at this thing with a critical eye. So far we've got elevated testosterone, a positive test for a female fertility drug commonly used after steroid cycles and sometimes as a performance enhancer on its own, and a lame excuse from Manny.


Detailing the situation has nothing at all to do with public perception of what has happened or what should happen to Manny. In fact it has absolutely zero to do with how the situation is being viewed. My LA anti-reality goggles? Because I wear those coming from Missouri and cheering for the Cardinals... So far what we have is what appears to be very bad situation but I've yet to see wide and vocal calls for his head. Which is exactly what did happen when the truth about A-Rod came out, what will always happen with Barry Bonds, why Mark McGwire is going to be in the shadows for years, and why Sammy Sosa probably can't walk out on a Chicago street without being murdered. But hey, however you want to view the public perception is up to you, but at least state something about that point instead of the complete nothing you just wrote.

Edit: Now it appears to be turning a bit. I guess even Manny can't stand the heat. My point early still stands, you said nothing about the actual perception of the events...

Re: Manny being Manny lulz

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:44 pm
by mattsteg
Skrying wrote:
Detailing the situation has nothing at all to do with public perception of what has happened or what should happen to Manny. In fact it has absolutely zero to do with how the situation is being viewed. My LA anti-reality goggles? Because I wear those coming from Missouri and cheering for the Cardinals...
You sure seem to have a blind spot for LS sports figures, regardless of where you live.
Skrying wrote:
So far what we have is what appears to be very bad situation but I've yet to see wide and vocal calls for his head. Which is exactly what did happen when the truth about A-Rod came out, what will always happen with Barry Bonds, why Mark McGwire is going to be in the shadows for years, and why Sammy Sosa probably can't walk out on a Chicago street without being murdered. But hey, however you want to view the public perception is up to you, but at least state something about that point instead of the complete nothing you just wrote.
If you want "the right way" to do it, consider the public perception of some of the people that were caught and/or admitted using but didn't jump to your mind at all. Also, consider that this is going to be more than a 2-day story, and what's going to matter is the public perception after whatever's going to come out will come out. You're seriously jumping the gun if you think this story's done and been fully handled.
Skrying wrote:
Edit: Now it appears to be turning a bit.
Surprise, surprise. A lame excuse for a sketchy as hell situation doesn't hold up for more than a day or so. Let me contain my shock. :roll:
Skrying wrote:
I guess even Manny can't stand the heat. My point early still stands, you said nothing about the actual perception of the events...
No, your point doesn't stand. You just said that things are turning a bit. He didn't handle it "right". He threw out a crappy excuse with enough holes in it to be shredded in about a day. His handling of it wasn't "extremely well done" and hasn't "honestly come across as being true". It's just another variation on the same old "give an excuse no one will end up believing" spiel that's been tried a hundred times before. He hasn't accepted responsibility, he's just conceded defeat and thrown out a halfassed excuse. He's not looking "truly regretful about a mistake and trying not to get an edge".

"Public perception" was never going to buy that swiss cheese story for more than a day(and the first time you mentioned "public perception" was just now, anyway).