Mark McGwire wrote:I did steroids.
I'd like to have this signed and notarized by Captain Obvious and put in the "No ****, Sherlock" file.
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Mark McGwire wrote:I did steroids.
just brew it! wrote:Kinda makes me wonder why he bothered to admit it now. Guilty conscience finally got to him?
Jive wrote:just brew it! wrote:Kinda makes me wonder why he bothered to admit it now. Guilty conscience finally got to him?
I say its a... i haven't been in the spotlight in a while yet - and i could use some cash... sort of thing
Obsidian wrote:One would think voters would be less inclined to vote for an admitted user of steroids. Then again, I don't follow baseball any more, so I have no idea what the voting community cares about these days. If the likes of Mark McGwire and/or Jose Canseco are ever admitted into the HoF, then why the hell has Pete Rose been refused for so long? It boggles the mind.Or maybe he thinks now that he has admitted to it more people will put him on their hall of fame ballot in the coming years.
gerbilspy wrote:
Now let's see if Mr. Cub Sammy Sosa will come clean...will he have the balls?
PRIME1 wrote:
I wonder if any of his defenders are now hanging their heads in shame.
derFunkenstein wrote:gerbilspy, I think he meant McGwire's defenders
gerbilspy wrote:PRIME1 wrote:Cub fans are mostly "immune" to shame b y now!
How else could anyone endure 100+ years of Championship-free humiliation?
derFunkenstein wrote:Yeah, it was more that they couldn't put it off any longer and not have it be a distraction going into Spring Training (and they couldn't do it much earlier and not have it get mixed up in the HoF announcements or the Winter Meetings). Everybody who was paying attention knew this was coming as soon as the Cardinals hired him last fall -- this, and how he was going to clear the air about it, would've been part of the hiring interview you can be certain -- the only question was how he was going to do it.I think it's got more to do with the fact that he's now back in the employ of a Major League team and that he can no longer hide from the public.
gerbilspy wrote:
Don't feel bad about the Lions, just take consolation in the fact that they were far superior to the RAMS this year.
Skrying wrote:I don't see the big deal. If I had a HoF vote I'd vote in the known steroid users. Like all eras in sports they were cheating to the best of their abilities. Any thought otherwise just seems willful ignorance.
A number of the steroid users will get in and chances are a number are already in.
gerbilspy wrote:For 100 yrs the rules were ignored...until steroids came along.
Corrado wrote:Who cares? Honestly, the pitchers (Clemens) were juicing, and the hitters were juicing... then whats the real problem? No one had an unfair advantage.
PRIME1 wrote:Corrado wrote:Who cares? Honestly, the pitchers (Clemens) were juicing, and the hitters were juicing... then whats the real problem? No one had an unfair advantage.
I'm sure there are plenty of players who did not use roids, who probably got shafted by all this. Their stats\pay\career surely suffered because they took the high road. Or at the very least chose not to risk their health\dignity\ethics by using.
derFunkenstein wrote:Pete Rose's absence just burns my britches. It'd be like keeping Jordan or Barkley out of the basketball hall of fame. They are both raging gamblers . Pete was such a hardnose player that I truly believe him when he said he never bet against his team, because he's too big of a competitor to give up a single game.
PRIME1 wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of players who did not use roids, who probably got shafted by all this. Their stats\pay\career surely suffered because they took the high road. Or at the very least chose not to risk their health\dignity\ethics by using.
Corrado wrote:
Thats understood, but at the same time, they weren't doing something against the rules of baseball, merely against the law (merely? ha). There was no testing, and a wink wink nudge nudge with the league. To say that hitters had an unfair advantage is BS as we know of at least 2 pitchers that were using steroids in Pettite and Clemens, and who knows who else was using.
Skrying wrote:
And? Again, every era of every professional sport had its share of cheaters. To play ignorant of that is even worse than the cheating in my opinion. It's the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" nonsense that builds these issues.
PRIME1 wrote:Saying other people were thieves so it's OK for him to steal may make it OK in your book, but not mine.
Skrying wrote:PRIME1 wrote:Saying other people were thieves so it's OK for him to steal may make it OK in your book, but not mine.
Where did I say that? I don't believe it's fine for any one to cheat. But I do believe cheating is rampant in professional sports from the minor leagues to the professionals from baseball to soccer, from the NFL to the Olympic games. You're condemning the people who have been caught or admitted. I'm simply saying you're a fool if you believe that many of your beloved athletes weren't bending or fully breaking the rules to get an advantage over the field. I don't believe leaving out an entire era of baseball is the proper way to address the problem. You come across as wanting to act like it never happened at all. You're doomed to repeat the same mistakes instead of facing them head on. Cheating will happen, we must open our eyes, point it out and better our future and not try to rewrite the past.
PRIME1 wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of players who did not use roids, who probably got shafted by all this. Their stats\pay\career surely suffered because they took the high road. Or at the very least chose not to risk their health\dignity\ethics by using.