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agp-x800xl vs. 6800gt

Postposted on Fri May 27, 2005 9:40 pm

well ive pretty much narrowed it down to an x800xl or a 6800gt. I realized that im not quite ready to throw down like 400 some dollars for a higher end card that will be greatly bottlenecked by my cpu anyways. if you had to pick (they are around the same price) between a x800xl or a leadtek 6800gt which one would you take and why? which one do you think would oc better (keeping in mind the leadteks massive copper cooler on the gt)?

ive read a lot of these matchups on various sites and even though the cards have similar performance most of the sites say to go for the xl cause its 100 dollars cheaper RETAIL (xl-300 gt-400), not in actual prices (cause like a bunch of 6800gts are around 300 and now......some even lower). if they were both the same......do you think some of the sites would have changed their views?
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Postposted on Fri May 27, 2005 9:48 pm

I made the same choice. I went with the Leadtek 6800GT. Part of my decision was driver support, which I believe Nvidia easily wins, especially in regard to Linux. At the time I couldn't find a cheap AGP XL that wasn't made by some fishy manufacturer though. Unfortunately, my GT was flaky and I get the RMA back next week, so I can't give you any first hand experience other than that cool is actually fairly quiet and very impressive to look at.
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 5:24 am

I am in the same dilemma right now. Im going for the 6800GT because:
1. It has SM3 support (I dont plan on upgrading for a long, long time).
2. The Leadtek has the big cooler and almost all of them will OC to Ultra speeds and over.
3. The size of the AGP x800xl is really rather frightening.
4. I am not having much fun at the moment with my 9800 Pro and Via chipset, I would supsect the x800xl would be the same.
5. I cant find an x800xl by a munufacturer that I like. Sapphire have gone Powercolour, Powercolour ARE Powercolour and I have never heard of Club3D.
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 11:05 am

wow....my mind just keeps changing.......i say to myself: "well i refuse to play doom 3 more than 5 minutes at a time so ill just go with the xl" but then i do remember what you guys were saying and the fact that the leadtek will probabaly oc like crazy and is like wayy shorter. thats prolly what ill go with.

EDIT: o and btw, what was wrong with ur card that u had to rma?
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 11:28 am

In the end it all depends on what games you play. The problem with the 6800 series is that when running shader model 3.0 specific attributes such as HDR, the card is so slow that it does not make it worth it. Sure it will support shader 3.0 model games, but it can only really use that shader model to increase performance rather than increase the visuals. However, both the driver support and the OpenGL support is much better on the 6800 series.

The x800XL supports only shader model 2.0 (2.0b is a joke) but is much better optimized for DirectX applications as well as AA/AF in games.

As for the size of the cards, yes the x800XL is huge, but if you havent taken a look at the 6800GT recently then I suggest you do because it is a monster as well.

The only other comparision I can give is that the x800XL takes up less power and gives off less heat than the 6800GT because of its smaller chip size.

Personally, I liked the 6800GT because there is no arctic silencer available for the x800XL while the 6800GT has an NV5. As of now, however, I am going to get a Sapphire x800 Pro Toxic and mod it into an x800XT PE.

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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 11:32 am

It had screen corruption. I could boot everything just fine, it's just there were lines and ASCII characters everywhere. I got it from Newegg though, so it's a painless RMA.
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 11:39 am

If you go with a 6800GT, don't get a PNY/ELSA card. One of those cards blew up on me, and I suspect some of the juice from the voltage regulator short screwed with my TYAN Thunder K8W mobo!

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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 11:41 am

MadCatz wrote:there is no arctic silencer available for the x800XL
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga1.php
Does the ATI Silencer 5 fit only the PCI-express version?

I am pleased with the performance of the Radeon X800XL. Since I spend a lot more time playing Half-Life2 (or CS:S) than DOOM3, I definitely chose the right card. The fact that it was much less expensive than the GeForce 6800GT also contributes to my satisfaction with this purchase.
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 2:18 pm

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MadCatz wrote:there is no arctic silencer available for the x800XL
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga1.php
Does the ATI Silencer 5 fit only the PCI-express version?

I am pleased with the performance of the Radeon X800XL. Since I spend a lot more time playing Half-Life2 (or CS:S) than DOOM3, I definitely chose the right card. The fact that it was much less expensive than the GeForce 6800GT also contributes to my satisfaction with this purchase.

well, i dont plan on doing any aftermarket upgrades such as the arctic silencer anyways (maybe just a bit of ocing, no volt-mods and such either). i do agree with your first point in saying that you play hl2 more often, i am the same. i dont agree with your last point though, there are many 6800gts (the leadtek included) that about about 10 bucks cheaper than the xl (i know its not a big deal but still :lol: )
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 2:30 pm

Just a short note: At the time I bought the ELSA 6800GT as stated above, I didn't realize ELSA's consumer graphics card division (whole company?) was bought-out by PNY. Had I known, I wouldn't have risked trying the card in the first place. [/savingfaceattempt]
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 8:15 pm

At the time that I purchased the Radeon X800XL with dual DVI, the only GeForce 6800GTs with dual DVI were at least $140 more. Of course, those were PCI-Express cards. In AGP, the ATI cards do not have the same price advantage. I am a bit skeptical of spending money on any high-dollar AGP graphic cards at this time. If you're ready for a new high-performance video card, you're probably also ready for a new motherboard that supports PCI-Express.
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 8:52 pm

I took a dual-DVI 6800GT from BFG

BTW dual DVI + 2x 2001FP is really, really REALLY sweet. had that for a week :)
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 9:16 pm

I assumed from his system that he is getting an AGP card. In that case, no there is no Arctic Silencer for the AGP version of the x800XL.
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 9:55 pm

MadCatz wrote:I assumed from his system that he is getting an AGP card. In that case, no there is no Arctic Silencer for the AGP version of the x800XL.


you would be correct, im not jumping to pci-ex yet......especially since i dont any performance advantages with pci-ex at the moment.
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 9:56 pm

recently bought a 6800gt made by chaintech. Card is freeking awesome. I have not owned an Nvidia card for awhile and I forgot how much I love digital vibrance, makes everything look ten times better than my 9800 pro. Did not even consider the ATI x800 xl because I am really tired of ATI sucking in the linux driver department. Also, Who really cares about getting 5 more frames in HL2 or doom 3. This GT card has more power than I will need for awhile.

I say go nvidia, just for digital vibrance.
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 11:08 pm

hmmm never heard of digital vibrance.......in terms of image quality in your guys opinions, who is better, ati or nvidia with JUST these two cards (like dont do a comparison: "MY 6800 ULTRA IS BETTER THAN A RADEON 9200 IN IMAGE QUALITY" lol)
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Postposted on Sat May 28, 2005 11:35 pm

ATi is touted as having better 2d image quality but to tell you the truth I cannot tell the difference between my 9800 Pro and my Geforce 4 MX 420. ATi's x800 series is better at AA/AF in games and takes a much smaller performance hit then the 6800s and I guess AA/AF could be considered things that improve 3d image quality.
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Postposted on Sun May 29, 2005 7:32 am

MadCatz wrote:ATi is touted as having better 2d image quality but to tell you the truth I cannot tell the difference between my 9800 Pro and my Geforce 4 MX 420. ATi's x800 series is better at AA/AF in games and takes a much smaller performance hit then the 6800s and I guess AA/AF could be considered things that improve 3d image quality.


yup thats cool about the aa/af thing.......i definetely would like to use that but my current gfx card allows very little/none without slowdown. you guys have pretty much made up my mind, ill probably go with the x800xl but if anyone else has an opinion then pls.......go right ahead and post cause my mind is not made up yet. thanks guys for all your help so far! :P

EDIT: they only have a couple brands of the agp versions at newegg......sapphire, powercolor, and bbati. i am NOT getting the powercoler card because of their notorious mistakes and unreliability. however i do plan on getting the sapphire card if you guys think they still have a good reputation. the bbati card is a bit more expensive and has a crappy bundle (i would actually play some of the games in the sapphire bundle believe it or not). let me know what u guys think.
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Postposted on Sun May 29, 2005 7:48 am

supraman wrote:Sapphire have gone Powercolour


Sapphire have been steadily losing their good reputation. The built by ATI would probably have the best quality. I say probably because there is a chance that it is actually another make. I know a couple of suppliers in the UK sell/have sold Powercolour (TUL) as bbATI.
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Postposted on Sun May 29, 2005 7:59 am

supraman wrote:
supraman wrote:Sapphire have gone Powercolour


Sapphire have been steadily losing their good reputation. The built by ATI would probably have the best quality. I say probably because there is a chance that it is actually another make. I know a couple of suppliers in the UK sell/have sold Powercolour (TUL) as bbATI.


i found this one here bbati for only 300 shipped: http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/de ... 8&REFID=PW sounds like a really good price to me but anyone know how futurepowerpc's reputation is? i think its time i go look on resellerratings a bit :P

edit: also, does anyone know where to buy a HIS x800xl agp (like the one on guru3ds recent reviews) here in the us and online? i cant find any.

also found this: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod ... &c=us&l=en
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Postposted on Mon May 30, 2005 1:12 am

what have you guys heard about this psu? http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe ... icegrabber i really like the idea of a modular psu cause i would free up a LOT of cable clutter in my case and probably get my air flow to be more efficient. do you guys know of any other modular psus that are in this price range (preferably lower)
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Postposted on Mon May 30, 2005 1:42 am

I think antec makes one but I am pretty sure they are over $100. I have heard mostly good things about those ps's but a few people have said that they are just re-branded raidmax ps's (I think that was the brand, I also vaguely remember a ps review where the unit blew up during load testing).

As for your vid card choice it looks like you made up your mind. I was in a similar boat just a few weeks ago and I ended up going with the x800xl. I ignored hl2 and doom3 benchies and all the other games go back and forth between the two pretty much equally. The real kicker though was the aa/af as others have mentioned. There is absolutely ZERO difference in 2d mode between my 4600 and this card.

If you want to add a 3rd party cooler then forget the silencer, the zalman fits the x800xl agp plus it is superior in all regards.

As for the size… Yeah it’s a massive card but it wasn't much bigger than my ti4600 and from what I hear the 6800.
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Postposted on Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:46 pm

hey madkatz can u explain to me how ps 2.0b is a joke?
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Postposted on Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:14 pm

Since when has Sapphire been losing their good name? I owned a Sapphire 9800 pro never gave me a lick of trouble. And I beat that card up real good.

What did they do?
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Postposted on Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:21 pm

pete_roth wrote:Since when has Sapphire been losing their good name? I owned a Sapphire 9800 pro never gave me a lick of trouble. And I beat that card up real good.

What did they do?


Well, I won't buy another Sapphire. The 9800pro I had from them stopped working after 6 months (course, it might have had something to do with the fact that I overclocked it to 9800XT speeds. Heh.)
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Postposted on Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:30 am

My Sapphire Radeon 9800 has been running as a Radeon 9800Pro for a very long time without problems. I also bought a Sapphire Radeon 9700 that runs as a Radeon 9700Pro. The Sapphire Radeon 9500Pro that I bought is also still providing excellent service.
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Postposted on Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:40 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:My Sapphire Radeon 9800 has been running as a Radeon 9800Pro for a very long time without problems. I also bought a Sapphire Radeon 9700 that runs as a Radeon 9700Pro. The Sapphire Radeon 9500Pro that I bought is also still providing excellent service.


What do you do with 3 DX 9 class video cards?
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Postposted on Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:00 am

Vrock wrote:
JustAnEngineer wrote:My Sapphire Radeon 9800 has been running as a Radeon 9800Pro for a very long time without problems. I also bought a Sapphire Radeon 9700 that runs as a Radeon 9700Pro. The Sapphire Radeon 9500Pro that I bought is also still providing excellent service.
What do you do with three DX9.0b class video cards?
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His second system has the Sapphire Radeon 9700 that I found for a terrific refurb price while I was waiting for a new fan from Gigabyte and needed something with DVI output.
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Postposted on Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:22 am

I would say a 6800gt. I've had nothing but great luck. Plus, it was easy to overclock it to an ultra after changing the cooling. But most people don't do that anyway. And by the way, I've seen some sites say that you can't run farcry and doom iii with 4x AA and 8x AF, but let me tell you, you CAN! And I've done it at stock speeds running @1280 x 1024. I say go for the GT.
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Postposted on Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:35 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Vrock wrote:
JustAnEngineer wrote:My Sapphire Radeon 9800 has been running as a Radeon 9800Pro for a very long time without problems. I also bought a Sapphire Radeon 9700 that runs as a Radeon 9700Pro. The Sapphire Radeon 9500Pro that I bought is also still providing excellent service.
What do you do with three DX9.0b class video cards?
Five, actually. :oops:
My main (gaming) system has a PCI-Express Radeon X800XL.
My backup (old) system has the Sapphire Radeon 9800 flashed with the 9800Pro BIOS.
My brother's main system has my old Gigabyte Radeon 9700Pro.
His second system has the Sapphire Radeon 9700 that I found for a terrific refurb price while I was waiting for a new fan from Gigabyte and needed something with DVI output.
Dad's system has the Sapphire Radeon 9500Pro (which is probably only used for gaming when I visit).


Mom is stuck with DX8.0 from my old GeForce3 Ti200.


Cool. I always sold/gave away my old vid cards when I bought a new one. Wish I still had some of them. Ah well.

Does Mom ever get mad that she can't FRAG in DX 9 glory in Half-Life 2 like the rest of the fam? :lol:
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