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Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Thu May 24, 2012 7:04 pm

Hey all! I am looking at building a Cheep but well built PC for the Guild Wars 2 release. It will be my first real go at PC building, (Help my Dad build his computers growing up).

I have these this short list of ideas.


Asus P8Z77-V Pro
Core i5-3450
GeForce GTX 560

I would like to learn more about over clocking my PC thats why the MoBo.

Any help would be great!
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Thu May 24, 2012 7:53 pm

Welcome to TR. What's your budget?
If you want to overclock , your going to have to pick a K spec'ed Intel
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Thu May 24, 2012 9:47 pm

Welcome to the Tech Report!

Have you checked out the System Guide?
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47062

What is your budget for the complete system?

Do you live near a Micro Center?
http://www.microcenter.com/at_the_stores/index.html
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Fri May 25, 2012 11:53 am

Aside from needing to know your budget and recommending you look at the TR system guide, some good Tech Report charts to look at: (knowledge is power)

"low end" GPUs

"high end" GPUs (not including the GTX 680 or 670..come on TR)

CPU gaming charts (not including Ivy Bridge)

Sandy Bridge overclocks better than Ivy Bridge (~300MHz more for comparable CPUs on air), though Ivy Bridge consumes less power. I would still go with Ivy Bridge, and yes, you'll need a "K" series chip like the i5-3570K to overclock on Intel.
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Fri May 25, 2012 12:41 pm

WOW Thanks for the replys!

Ok so my Budget is going to be around 1200. Going to be buying a few parts every month and putting it into there cases. But I dont want to build a crap PC so Im willing to take it slow. I live in canada so I use alot of Internet shops and NIXC.
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Fri May 25, 2012 1:28 pm

$1200, is that for everything? Seeing as though you're coming from a laptop, do you need a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc, etc? Just curious, so we dont end up recommending a $1200 tower and then you have to turn around and spend $300 or more on peripherals.
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Fri May 25, 2012 1:37 pm

DPete27 wrote:$1200, is that for everything? Seeing as though you're coming from a laptop, do you need a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc, etc? Just curious, so we dont end up recommending a $1200 tower and then you have to turn around and spend $300 or more on peripherals.

This is important with factoring costs...although we'd be happy to suggest parts for these as well :D

The other thing that I did not see mentioned was storages. Are you going to be saving a lot of music, files, movies, etc.? Have you given thought to a SSD? How much you want/need on storage will affect your budget. I imagine you would be going with a regular DVD drive, but you could also consider a Blu-Ray drive if you're using this as a media center as well.

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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Sat May 26, 2012 3:31 am

If possiable 1200 would include The Screen. BUT If its going to really hurt my tower building I will not worry to much.

I have Look into SSD vs HDD and cant really see the + to SSD other then faster Load/boot times. For the price I do not really think its worth it. Any input would be great! 7
I dont have a lot of media Files and Im not a DL crazy. So 500GB to 1T Would be fine for me. Wont go under 360GB. Would like to maybe do streaming, But the focus is running good games at at good graphics with no lag for Pvp/WvW in Guildwars 2.

Also is it better having a small Boot drive? and if so Should it be a SSD or HDD?

With the DvD/CD-ROM Drive Im really not worried just grab a cheep one. I hardly use them anymore. Watch movies on my 360/PS2 and all my games I Buy online and DL or on flashdrives/External Hardrives. Only really need one to install my Windows 7 disc and I have a External Drive for that if need be.

Also I am trying to choose a case. Which of these 2 are better for function and performance?

The Corsair 300R
Link: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-S ... B006I2H0YS

or

NZXT Phantom 410
Link: http://www.amazon.com/ca-ph410-g1-Phant ... 339&sr=1-3

Is it really worth the extra 40$? Will the MoBo Fit in both cases?

Ok So Intel Core i5 3570K Processor 3.4 4 BX80637I53570K vs Intel Core i5 3450 Processor 3.1 4 BX80637I53450? Is overclocking Worth it? Does it kill the life of the PC?
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Sat May 26, 2012 1:17 pm

One more thing. What VC would you go for?

ASUS ENGTX560 DCII OC/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Link: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... llFullInfo

OR

Galaxy 56NPH6HS4IXX GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Link: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6814162085

The Only thing I can see differences is that The ASUS is already overclocked and the Galaxy has 2gb of Mem vs the 1gb of mem on the 1st card. Is that a really big difference?
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Sat May 26, 2012 8:28 pm

I would not choose either of those graphics cards if gaming is your main goal for this PC. You could buy something with a bit more oomph or you could wait for NVidia's 28nm GPUs to arrive later this year.

EoNenmacil wrote:Going to be buying a few parts every month and putting it into there cases. I'm willing to take it slow.


Buying your components piece by piece over several months is a horrible plan.


Save your money and buy all of the pieces at one time. Almost nothing depreciates faster than computer components that you've purchased and not yet assembled. If you wait until you're ready to purchase the whole thing, there are likely to be better, faster and cheaper components available than you can find right now.
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Sat May 26, 2012 9:41 pm

Here are some components to consider (prices are in Canadian dollars from NCIX):

$110 Gigabyte Z77M-D3H micro-ATX LGA1155 motherboard
or $155 -20MIR Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 motherboard
or $ 73 Gigabyte B75M-D3H micro-ATX LGA1155 motherboard

$ 99 Intel Pentium G850 Sandy Bridge 2.9 GHz dual-core LGA1155 processor w/ HSF
or $142½ Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3 GHz hyper-threading dual-core LGA1155 processor w/ HSF
or $239 Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4 GHz quad-core LGA1155 processor w/ HSF
or $240 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3 GHz quad-core LGA1155 processor w/ HSF

optional $ 35 CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo CPU cooler & fan

$44 2x4 GiB PC3-12800 Crucial BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00 (DDR3-1600, CAS 9, 1.5 V) memory

$250 MSI Radeon HD7850 2GB
or $239 Sapphire Radeon HD6950 2GB
or $240 -30MIR Zotac GeForce GTX560Ti 1GB
or $224 -20MIR MSI GeForce GTX560Ti 1GB
or $135 -20MIR Gigabyte Radeon HD7770 1GB

$ 85 120 GB Corsair Force GT (SF-2281) SSD
$ 85 1TB Seagate ST31000524AS (7200 rpm) hard-drive
$ 20 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-RW
or $ 89 Asus BW-12B1ST Blu-ray burner
$ 13 Flash memory card reader w/ USB3

$ 55 -15MIR Antec Three Hundred ATX case
or $ 70 Antec Three Hundred Two ATX case
$ 50 Antec EarthWatts Green EA-430 (32 A @ +12 V) power supply
or $ 64 -20MIR PP&C Silencer Mk III 400 (30 A @ +12 V) power supply
or $110 Antec Sonata III ATX case & EarthWatts EA-500 power supply

$120 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM

$198 LG IPS231P 23" 1920x1080 e-IPS LCD monitor
or $138 HP LV2311 23" 1920x1080 TN LCD monitor

$ 10 -5MIR Zalman 5-button mouse
$ 15 Microsoft keyboard 600
$ 40 2.1-channel speaker system
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Tue May 29, 2012 12:23 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote: Buying your components piece by piece over several months is a horrible plan.

Save your money and buy all of the pieces at one time. Almost nothing depreciates faster than computer components that you've purchased and not yet assembled. If you wait until you're ready to purchase the whole thing, there are likely to be better, faster and cheaper components available than you can find right now.

Seconded and requoted for emphasis. I understand the incentive/reward structure -- some relatives of mine had a tight budget and a splintering patio deck that they wanted to rebuild with expensive plastiwood, so every pay cycle they bought two plastiwood boards and then rebuilt the deck several months later once all of the boards had been purchased -- but this doesn't work with depreciating assets. Progressively upgrading an existing system sometimes works, but progressively building a new system does not.

Now, you might be able to optimize the purchase price over a short span -- say, a month -- by purchasing major components in two or three lots when good sales come around, rather than all at once. But if it's going to take longer than that, just save up and buy all at once.
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Re: Up grade from Sony Laptop Core i5

Postposted on Thu May 31, 2012 8:48 am

EoNenmacil wrote:I have Look into SSD vs HDD and cant really see the + to SSD other then faster Load/boot times. For the price I do not really think its worth it. Any input would be great!


I personally think that any computer (tower) that costs more than $600 should have a SSD, otherwise its just not going to live up to its price. Storage speed is a BIG bottleneck these days. While I encourage you to take my advice, there's always the option to throw an SSD in later to "unlock" the rest of the performance laying dormant in your new computer using a hdd.
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