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New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:25 am

I have been using this same desktop for ages and its finally time to make a new one. Surprisingly this has been good enough for gaming too even if I would give this computer a senior status already.

Current setup:
Amd 6000+ 3Ghz / Asrock Sata2Glan / 4Gb corsair DDR2 800Mhz /SB X-Fi Xtreme gamer / Antec Sonata 2 / Antec Neopower 430 / MSI 6950 TwinFrozr III / 22" Viewsonic / Zalman CNPS9500

I have had this same mobo since I dont know when. Integrated sound broke so I got a separate audio for it. Processor is third and cannot be upgraded anymore. Thing is that this bugger still works nicely. Sometimes it needs a couple of starts as monitor is not getting a signal. Just a small detail but to me its a sign that I can finally make a new comp. I guess that "no signal" has something to do with the mobo. Anyway, I will replace that MSI with my old radeon 4830 and keep this as secondary desktop. Cannot just ditch this comp, I would miss this old warhorse too much.

After reading TRs system guide and all sorts of reviews I have come to this:

Plan for a new setup

AMD 8350
Asus Sabertooth FX990
8Gb Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz
Samsung SSD 840 120Gb
MSI 6950 TFIII OC
Fractal Define R3
Corsair 600w or 750w
Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212
Asus 24" VE247H
Win8

Suggestions, improvements? Did I miss something and are there compatibility issues?
- I have been wondering about the PSU. I guess 600W would be enough but I think I might try out what that crossfire stuff is all about. If I add another graph card will 750W be sufficient? Btw what kind of card I can add. Does it have to be exactly same kind of card?
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:51 am

Jacu wrote:I have had this same mobo since I dont know when. Integrated sound broke so I got a separate audio for it. Processor is third and cannot be upgraded anymore. Thing is that this bugger still works nicely. Sometimes it needs a couple of starts as monitor is not getting a signal. Just a small detail but to me its a sign that I can finally make a new comp.


I'm surprised you made it this long. One of the USB headers is causing problems on my board (X58) and I'm thinking its time for a new one!
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:19 am

might want to make sure to get the sabertooth fx990 r 2.0 since its a newer rev i have it right now and loving it overclocks the fx8350 quite well also
and about the ssd have you thought of the kingston hyper x 3k they seem faster than the non pro samsung 840 series not that it will matter much (i also own the 840 120g)
the price diffrence for samsung pro and non pro is only 20$ might be worth it to buy pro it even 5yr warranty copared to 3yr for the normal one
TR should hav reviewed them :P
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:53 am

I recommend you get a bigger SSD. 120 GB is going to end up being tight on space (especially if playing modern games that are 10-15 GB each). Also, larger drives are faster and have more room to use for wear leveling. There's a Intel 180 GB SSD 335 that sells for well under $200, and then there are various models in the 240-256 GB range. The bigger the better, so I suggest one of the 240-256 GB drives.

Suggestion 2: stay far away from Crossfire. There are any number of articles out there that detail the problems with stuttering, and like it or not AMD doesn't keep up with Crossfire profiles as well as Nvidia. Keep with a single card. You're HD 6950 should still have legs to run on depending on what games and game settings you plan to play at. There are only a few games out there that the HD 6950 cannot handle on full detail.
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:22 am

My first recommendation was going to be to ditch the stock CPU cooler, but I see you've already got that covered!

Do you plan to run at stock, or will you OC? Because if you're going to run at stock you can probably save a few bucks on the motherboard without sacrificing functionality or reliability.
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:14 am

Jacu wrote:$180 -20MIR Asus VE247H 23.6" 1920x0180 TN LCD monitor
How about this one?
$187½ -10MIR Asus VS239H-P 23" 1920x1080 e-IPS LCD monitor

Jacu wrote:$65 2x4 GiB PC3-12800 Corsair Vengeance CML8GX3M2A1600C9 DDR3-1600
Is there any reason not to get faster PC3-14900 memory?
$65 2x4 GiB PC3-14900 Corsair CML8GX3M2A1866C9R (DDR3-1866, CAS 9, 1.5 V)
or $125 2x8 GiB PC3-14900 G.Skill F3-1866C9D-16GSR (DDR3-1866, CAS 9, 1.5 V)

Oops. Please substitute whichever sources you will be using in northern Europe. You should still find that there are better quality components available for very nearly the same prices as the ones that you listed.
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:45 pm

Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated.

So I will make sure mobo is r 2.0 and the SSD is of pro variety. I will also check if I could let myself use more credits to that bigger SSD size.

Will check about those crossfireX-problems. I actually read about crossfireX-tests and those seemed promising with this mobo. Never done that dual graph-card thing and I would like to at least have the possibility open for that with this new comp. If I'm not mistaken I can actually have two nvidia cards in this mobo in SLI. I have been reading very positive things about this board so I think I will keep it.

Will also try out how the system will OC. Its not a serious thing for me but something Id like play with a bit. The stock cooler should really be inadequate for this. Might be ok for stock speeds but I'm going to change this even for stock-speed use.

Will check that other display.

Is it right that as long as I have 1600Mhz memory I'm ok but the timings should be at least 9? Will 1866Mhz with cl9 make a difference?

Assuming that I want to keep the option of having dual graph cards which PSU I should get? I have been checking out info of Corsair gaming series GS800W and Corsair TX750W V2. Are these ok? Is smth in the same price range clearly better?
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:50 am

TR's test system with a pair of Radeon HD7970 cards pulled 546 watts from the wall. Their pair of GeForce GTX580 cards pulled 682 watts.
http://techreport.com/review/24381/nvid ... eviewed/14
http://techreport.com/review/20889/zota ... ics-card/9

A quality 750 to 850 watt power supply like the SeaSonic X750 Gold, Corsair HX750, PP&C Silencer Mk. II 750 or Silverstone Strider Gold Evolution 750 should be sufficient for a system with a pair of graphics cards. They're all rated at around 62 amperes on the +12 V rail.

However, do read some of the TR articles on the problems associated with Crossfire and SLI performance before you commit to spending money on a dual-GPU setup.
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:09 pm

Buying Crossfire at this juncture is a waste of money, plain and simple. ┐( ̄ヮ ̄)┌

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Jacu wrote:Is it right that as long as I have 1600Mhz memory I'm ok but the timings should be at least 9? Will 1866Mhz with cl9 make a difference?
It can help a little if you happen to be memory-bandwidth-bound, but that's pretty rare. The key is to make sure your RAM is 1.5v, and not a millivolt over. Higher RAM voltages are non-standard (out of JEDEC specs) and can kill your memory controller over a long time. RAM that's specified for a higher voltage is very likely to be older/slower memory that's effectively being 'factory overclocked'. (;゙°´ω°´)
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:40 pm

Once more thanks all for your advice.

This is how it turned out to be in the end:

AMD FX-8350
Asus Sabertooth FX990 r2.0
Kingston Hyper DDR3 1866Mhz cl9
Kingston HyperX 3K SSD 240Gb
MSI 6950 TFIII OC
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Asus DVD-RW
Fractal Define XL R2 titanium gray
Asus VE 247H 24"
Win 7

I guess I will get a 1-2 TB HD later. I have an external 1TB HD already that has movies, music and PDFs in it so theres no hurry for that.

I didnt remember how much concentration and precision it takes to put that all together. I did this after a long break and especially the aftermarket cooler took a while to get right. But after all, I didnt get the magic smoke out from the components and after some testing everything seems to work as it should. Memory maybe could have been better but it seems that faster memory just has higher latencies. I am really happy about the new case. It was much nicer to work with than Sonata 2. Monitor also could have been IPS-panel but I let myself be convinced that this is better for gaming, well...
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:56 pm

Jacu wrote:I didnt remember how much concentration and precision it takes to put that all together. I did this after a long break and especially the aftermarket cooler took a while to get right.

Yeah, that's the one downside of the really large tower coolers. Need to install the custom backplate, which also means they are a massive PITA to use as a retrofit for existing systems. Since I don't overclock I tend to stick with the smaller (and cheaper) Hyper TX3, which is basically the 212 EVO's little brother. The TX3's smaller size means it is lightweight enough to be used with the stock HSF mounting mechanism, but I wouldn't want to OC with it (even at stock, it becomes audible over the case fans if you push the CPU to 100% load in a warm room). But even the TX3 is a massive improvement over the stock HSF...

Jacu wrote:But after all, I didnt get the magic smoke out from the components and after some testing everything seems to work as it should. Memory maybe could have been better but it seems that faster memory just has higher latencies.

I wouldn't sweat the memory. With only a few exceptions, faster memory is going to speed up real-world performance by only a few percent. Enough to be measurable in synthetic memory benchmarks, but not enough to be consistently noticeable in actual use.

(As an aside, keep in mind that the higher latencies of the faster memory are relative to the faster clock. So the latency actually remains relatively constant in absolute terms; what improves is the streaming bandwidth.)
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:32 pm

Jacu wrote: $180 -20MIR Asus VE247H 23.6" 1920x0180 TN LCD monitor
JustAnEngineer wrote: $187½ -10MIR Asus VS239H-P 23" 1920x1080 e-IPS LCD monitor
Jacu wrote: Asus VE 247H 24"
Monitor also could have been IPS-panel but I let myself be convinced that this is better for gaming.
:(
I certainly wasn't the one deluding you with that idea.


Since you were looking at PC3-12800 (800 MHz "DDR3-1600") memory and you bought PC3-14900 (933 MHz "DDR3-1866") memory with the same CAS rating, you got both faster throughput (because of the 933 vs. 800 MHz frequency) and lower latency (because the same number of clock cycles takes less time when the clock is at a higher frequency). With PC3-14900 at 9-9-9, you're looking at 9.64 ns latency compared to 11.25 ns with PC3-12800 at 9-9-9.
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:55 pm

Jacu wrote: Asus VE 247H 24"
Monitor also could have been IPS-panel but I let myself be convinced that this is better for gaming.
Um, well, it would be if it were 120Hz or 144Hz, maybe... but that monitor is ... (*゜▽゜ノノ゛⌒ ⌓¬
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:16 pm

I have been using this for some days now and I have been liking it. Me likes it a lot :) Perhaps the monitor could have been better (and according to your comments it could be much better) but this is actually just fine for me. I am not very demanding when it comes to monitors. If I ever buy a really good one maybe there will not be going back to the cheap stuff ;)

I will test this Asus monitor with the old comp at some point. Then I will find out if there is something wrong with the old comp or was it the old Viewsonic that did not work. If that Viewsonic is malfunctioning it will give a good excuse to buy a new one. Then I will promise to be more careful in making the selection.
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Re: New AMD FX-8350 build

Postposted on Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:20 pm

Jacu wrote:I have been using this for some days now and I have been liking it. Me likes it a lot :) Perhaps the monitor could have been better (and according to your comments it could be much better) but this is actually just fine for me. I am not very demanding when it comes to monitors. If I ever buy a really good one maybe there will not be going back to the cheap stuff ;)

I will test this Asus monitor with the old comp at some point. Then I will find out if there is something wrong with the old comp or was it the old Viewsonic that did not work. If that Viewsonic is malfunctioning it will give a good excuse to buy a new one. Then I will promise to be more careful in making the selection.
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