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Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:59 pm

Hi guys!

It seems that my old PC with an E8400 & 9800GTX has given up, although it seems more of a HDD failure than anything else. I figure though, that this is a good enough time as any to finally upgrade.

I'm not really keeping up with hardware news these days, as kids, school and work keep me pretty busy, so I'm not sure if there's a new revision of CPU coming out or anything like that that means I should hold back on upgrading for a little bit (though, isn't that the case all the time?). Price is going to be the biggest thing for me really. I'm in Australia, so prices are somewhat inflated compared to the prices listed in the System Builders Guide, but I'm looking at something from the Econobox-Sweet Spot.

I'd love for this to be a gaming PC but I rarely have time to play any games on PC these days, so a gaming PC isn't high on my list of requirements. Primarily, this will be used by my kids and partner as a basic internet/homework PC, with my kids sometimes playing pretty basic games like Minecraft. From the little research I've done, most GFX cards can play most modern games these days, so it's not the massive money-sink it used to be when I built about 7 years ago. My 9800GTX could play Skyrim relatively well, so something along those lines would be pretty good - though I'm not sure how GFX cards are these days, relative to the 9800 I have.

In terms of CPU, I wouldn't be doing ANY overclocking, so something that's pretty good straight out of the box would be preferred.
A motherboard again, I'm not too concerned with any overclocking capabilities, but I would prefer something that leaves room for upgrading, if required. I think the CPU's I've been looking at have been an 1150 socket, so is this going to be the case for newer CPU's coming out in the near future, as I would like the motherboard to be relatively future-proof. Crossfire isn't important either..

I'm leaning towards a small SSD for OS needs and that sort of stuff, and will probably buy a large newer HDD. DVD drive is required too. I don't think sound card is really important for my needs, so onboard audio would be fine...

I'm getting my prices from MSY (http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf), which have a hard to navigate price list, but have been the best priced that I've found so far...At the moment, I've priced up the sweet-spot build as follows...

Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz
Gigabyte GA-Z87-D3HP
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
ASUS GeForce GTX 660 DirectCU II 2GB OC
Samsung 840 Series 120GB
Asus DRW-24B1ST
Seagate Barracuda 7,200 RPM 2TB
Corsair Carbide 400R Black Mid-Tower Case
Corsair CX600M

This puts me back about $1149 AUD, but I'm not sure if it's too much for my needs, or whether there would be somethings I can swap in/out based on my needs. It's at the higher end of my price scale, so it would be good if I could reduce this by a few hundred.

As an alternative, I also priced up something as close to the Econobox as I could find (as not all of the parts I could find in Aus), as well as adding some of the sweet spot features like the SSD in.

Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz
ASRock H87M Pro4
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB
Samsung 840 Series 120GB
Asus DRW-24B1ST
Seagate Barracuda 7,200 RPM 2TB
Corsair Carbide 400R Black Mid-Tower Case
Corsair CX600M

This sets me back about $975, which would be about what I would be looking to spend, although further savings would be nice...
With this build, I'm pretty much sold on the SSD, HDD, DVD-D. The rest I'm relatively open on. Is there anything I can save money on, while still allowing me an upgradable path in future? CPU and GFX is something I would be willing to downgrade on, if there's a better alternative around...I'm really not sure on the motherboard either.

So basically, I'm feeling a little bit lost at the moment. I don't want to spend any more than $1000, and gaming isn't essential at the moment, but the option to drop a good card in would be handy. Computer is mainly used (at the moment) for minecraft, youtube, facebook - that sort of stuff.

Can someone please advise where I could save cost/increase value on these builds..?

Typing this in a hurry, as supposed to be getting kids ready for school, so sorry if it's a bit 'all over the place'.

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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:52 pm

viper483 wrote:Hi guys! I'm not sure if there's a new revision of CPU coming out or anything like that that means I should hold back on upgrading for a little bit. I don't want to spend any more than $1000, and gaming isn't essential at the moment.
AMD's Hawaii GPUs are due out next month. This may not affect your choices much, other than possible graphics card price reductions.

A$199 Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz
A$ 0 Stock Intel CPU cooler
A$109 Asus H87M-E
A$ 87 2x4 GiB PC3-12800 Kingston HyperX (DDR3-1600)
A$179 Gigabyte GeForce GTX650Ti Boost 2GB
A$ 0 Integrated Realtek ALC887 audio
A$103 0.12 TB Samsung 840
or A$112 0.12 TB Samsung 840 Evo
A$ 95 2.0 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.14
A$ 21 Asus DRW-24B1ST
or A$ 54 LG BD-ROM/DVD-RW
A$115 Corsair Carbide 400R
or A$ 77 Corsair Carbide 200R
A$106 Corsair CX600M
or A$ 77 Corsair CX500 V3
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A$989

Do any of those suggestions tickle your fancy?

Is this price search engine helpful?
http://www.staticice.com.au/index.html
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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:50 pm

A$199 Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz
A$ 0 Stock Intel CPU cooler
A$109 Asus H87M-E
A$ 87 2x4 GiB PC3-12800 Kingston HyperX (DDR3-1600)
A$179 Gigabyte GeForce GTX650Ti Boost 2GB
A$ 0 Integrated Realtek ALC887 audio
A$103 0.12 TB Samsung 840
or A$112 0.12 TB Samsung 840 Evo
A$ 95 2.0 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.14
A$ 21 Asus DRW-24B1ST
or A$ 54 LG BD-ROM/DVD-RW
A$115 Corsair Carbide 400R
or A$ 77 Corsair Carbide 200R
A$106 Corsair CX600M
or A$ 77 Corsair CX500 V3
======
A$989

Do any of those suggestions tickle your fancy?

Is this price search engine helpful?
http://www.staticice.com.au/index.html


Thanks for that! I used to use Staticice, but forgot all about it. Helpful!

I'm pretty open to an alternate motherboard really, are there any major differences between the Gigabyte one and the Asus H87M-E one? From what I can gather on Newegg, they seem relatively similar...The gigabyte one I priced for the 'Sweet Spot' build came in at $165, while the ASRock H87M Pro4 from the 'Econobox' build was $104. Is there a difference between the Asus H87M-E and the ASRock H87M Pro4? Only $5 difference, but not sure if build quality varies..

RAM, I assume is relatively similar across the board, unless going for something high end? Corsair RAM I priced came in at $109, so a pretty decent saving with the Kingston HyperX. I'm guessing that performance differences would be negligible between the two?

No difference between the two SSD's listed price-wise, so may as well go with the one you listed, as I'm guessing it's a better drive.

Tossing up whether to bother with a BD drive. It's only an extra $30 though, so may as well grab the BD drive.

In regards to the case, no major difference between the 200R and the 400R - I guess the 400 is just a little bigger. I actually have a Cooler master case here that has my old build in it. Is there really much point in upgrading cases with every build? Wouldn't mind a nice fresh case, but if I can save $100 and keep my old one, probably not a bad idea...

The power supply you listed - Will that be ok for future upgrades, such as a better graphics card/CPU. Power supply is something I don't really want to skimp on, but if the one you listed is suitable, I'm happy to stick with it because it's cheaper.

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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:43 pm

I suggested that motherboard because it has 4 PCIe 3.0 slots and no legacy PCI slots. The ASRock board has the more desirable Intel i217V NIC and it has optical audio output that the Asus board lacks.

The Corsair CX500 can provide 38 amperes (456 watts) on the +12 V rail. That's plenty for a Haswell CPU with a single graphics card. It's not modular like the one that you selected, but it is less expensive.
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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:04 pm

The ASRock board has the more desirable Intel i217V NIC and it has optical audio output that the Asus board lacks.


Probably a silly question, but what is the i217V NIC? I had a quick Google and from what I can tell it has something to do with ethernet? Is that just in relation to the onboard ethernet capabilities? PCI Legacy is useless to me, but would be interesting to know what the above means..

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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:06 pm

The Asus board uses a Realtek ethernet chip. The ASRock board uses an Intel ethernet chip. Historically, Intel's stuff has been better. Recently, the Realtek stuff has appeared to work just fine.
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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:10 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:The Asus board uses a Realtek ethernet chip. The ASRock board uses an Intel ethernet chip. Historically, Intel's stuff has been better. Recently, the Realtek stuff has appeared to work just fine.


Great, thanks.

I'll weigh up between the two motherboards, but need to decide whether to buy a new case, or keep my old one...Leaning towards buying a new one though.
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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:11 pm

Also -

CPU Coolers? I have an aftermarket heatsink on my old computer which wasn't overclocked or anything, but not sure whether it's worth going after-market at all. Stock Intel cooler would be ok for my needs, I assume?
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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:15 pm

A$25 for the CoolerMaster Hyper TX3 or A$37 for the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo would keep your processor completely cool while making less noise than the stock Intel heatsink. Neither one would fit under your $1000 limit with the other components selected, so I deleted them from my list (along with the extra $36 to get the Core i5-4670).
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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:46 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:A$25 for the CoolerMaster Hyper TX3 or A$37 for the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo would keep your processor completely cool while making less noise than the stock Intel heatsink. Neither one would fit under your $1000 limit with the other components selected, so I deleted them from my list (along with the extra $36 to get the Core i5-4670).


Thanks.

I'll see whether I can scrounge together an extra $100 or so. Worst case scenario, I'll just buy a cooler a couple of months down the track..
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Re: Building a new PC

Postposted on Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:30 pm

Ok, I think I've decided on a build. Spending a little bit more than I originally planned, but I'm happy to spend the extra $100 or so..

1 Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz 6MB LGA1150 Haswell Boxed CPU AU$199.00
2 Asus H87M-E Intel H87 S1150/4xDDR3/1xPCIEx16/SATA3/USB3.0/HDMI/DVI/D-SUB/Glan/MicroATX MB AU$109.00
3 Kingston HyperX 8G Kit(4Gx2) DDR3 1600 AU$87.00
4 Gigabyte GV-N65TBOC-2GD GTX 650TI BOOST EDITION PCI-E VGA CARD AU$179.00
5 Samsung 840BW EVO MZ-7TE120BW 120G SATAIII SSD Solid State Drive AU$112.00
6 Seagate 3.5" Barracuda 2TB ST2000DM001 SATA3 7200rpm 64MB Cache Hard Disk AU$95.00
7 LG Blu-Ray Combo - SATA AU$54.00
8 Corsair CC400R Carbide 400R Black Mid Tower Case without PSU AU$115.00
9 Corsair CMPSU-600CXV3 600Watt 80Plus Bronze ATX Power Supply Unit AU$88.00
10 Coolermaster Hyper-212 EVO Universal CPU Cooler AU$37.00
11 Arctic Silver AS-CMQ2-250 Ceramique2 High-Density 25g Thermal Compound AU$10.00

Probably could have saved a few bucks in a couple of places by using different sellers, but I'd rather get this through the one place than pay for several shipping charges...

Anything that I should/could potentially change? One major thing I'd like to know, is whether the motherboard will be suitable for future upgrades. I'm guessing that the 1150 chipset should be relatively simple to buy a more powerful CPU sometime in the future?
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