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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:11 pm

Just saw this article on Fudzilla. Pay close attention to the graph at the bottom of the article. 4k benchmark comparisons between 2-way 780 and 2-way Titans.

I'd still get a 4GB GTX770 for ~$200 less than a GTX780 (3GB only)

Given that AMD and Nvidia are so gung-ho about 4k and that you can't run 4k at high settings without Crossfire/SLI, I'd expect Crossfire/SLI profiles to become much more readily available in the near future than they are today.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:21 pm

Performance actually looks pretty good to me. As long as there isn't anything stupid going on to make the 4k resolution hurt (like MSAA), a pair of top-end cards should approach the performance at 4k that one top-end card can spit out at 2k (essentially 2560x1600/1440). And that's what that chart appears to show.

My only real reservation is, as it has been lately, in the VRAM arena. There's literally nothing stopping vendors from building cards with double or even quadruple the memory they have been, from a technical standpoint. If a PS4 can have 8GB of GDDR5 with a 256bit controller, so can a GTX770/HD7870; a GTX780, Titan, or HD7970 with a 384bit memory controller could just as easily handle 12GB (isn't there a Tesla or Quadro based on Kepler that does that?), while AMD's new fangled GPU could handle 16GB in a pinch. I just want 6GB/8GB per card, depending on the controller, but definitely lean toward having more given that I'm also leaning toward 4k.

I'm having a sneaking suspicion that a pair of AMD cards with the new GPU and 8GB of VRAM (they're coming, no doubt) would actually be fairly successful at 4k gaming for the next year or so, until developers get really oriented on the consoles and return to torturing PCs again.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:52 pm

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JohnC wrote:
Terra_Nocuus wrote:any SLI

Personally I would stay away from any multi-GPU solution, regardless of the GPU manufacturer. With a single GPU you don't have to wait indefinite amount of time for SLI/CrossFire profiles with good scaling or for other fixes for potential issues caused by SLI/Crossfire.

Terra_Nocuus wrote:What about USB Wifi adapters? Are those decent nowadays

No.

Terra_Nocuus wrote:The a TP-Link WiFi adapter

I have that, it's a pretty good card, works well with my current router (Asus RT-N66U). It supports both 802.11n bands and doesn't have a useless 802.11ac support.


How did you get so negative?

I mean, really- there doesn't have to be a difference between USB and PCIe based WiFi adapters- sure, there's been plenty of crappy USB ones, but I assure you that there's been plenty of crappy PCIe ones too. The only ones that I truly consider solid are the mPCIe cards Intel makes, and they don't even making a 3x3 802.11ac adapter yet.

And how the hell is 802.11ac useless? At the very least, it guarantees a 2x2:2 solution (two channels on 2.4GHz and 5.0GHz). And it uses a different kind of modulation than 802.11b/g/n, similar to what LTE uses. It works very well if you have a good 802.11ac router, which I read as implied in the OP, though I could be wrong. Still, if the OP is interested in .ac, then why would you counter that?

And I do have that TP-Link card- with an external triple-mast antenna purchased separately, and it does work great, though I'm not currently using it at my new place since the router is now next to my desktop. I also have a TP-Link 802.11n router that worked wonders too, but somehow ATT's router is more than functional for now. I'll plug the TP-Link router in when I start trying to load Lightroom Catalogs remotely (and consider an upgrade to 802.11ac across the board if needed...).

As for SLI- well, at least lately, Nvidia has substantially upped their game, while AMD has been found to essentially be non-participating, and the jury's still out on them. So we'll see after this next round of cards hits. But if one were to buy today, a pair of GTX770 4GB cards would likely be the best price/performance bid, easily outperforming any single-GPU solution on the market, none of which are actually fast enough for 1440p/1600p.


I'm not negative, I am just a realist.

USB-based WiFi adapters tend to dissipate heat worse than PCIe cards (especially if they have plastic cover), leading to shorter lifespan. They are also more prone to be affected by USB port-related issues (compatibility with certain chipsets, lack of necessary power for USB-powered models, etc). I've dealt with several of them (for my personal use and with the ones purchased by other people), NONE of them provided a stable enough connection and lasted more than several months. And yes, I know that PCIe adapters can also have issues, I went through several of them (last one being a crappy Realtek-based Rosewill-branded POS), however it is easier to find a working model with PCIe cards.

802.11ac is useless because it does nothing useful in terms of range extension (2.4GHz 802.11n will still give a better range) and the current 802.11n standards provide enough bandwidth for any broadband connection, so unless you must transfer large amount of data between your WiFi devices there is no need to waste money for it.

As for SLI - it doesn't matter if it performs better than AMD's, I wasn't comparing them. What matters is that I see driver release notes and in them I see the SLI profiles being added or updated some time after the many major game releases. Some games take shorter time, some longer. If you want to play this waiting game - you are free to do it but personally I am not willing to do that and I would not recommend anyone else to do that. That's all I was saying.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:06 pm

The op mentions photo editing- is that intensive enough? I'm in the same boat, and as I mentioned above, 802.11ac is looking appealing to me. I have two laptops with mPCIe cards that could be replaced with updated Intel adapters.

And I do believe that .ac increases the 'effective' range over 802.11n; that is, even at the same signal strengths, it supports higher bandwidth. So, where N would be unusably slow, .ac has a good chance of maintaining a useful connection speed due to higher bandwidth provided by improved modulation.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:10 pm

Depending on what the R9-290X shows up to the table with, I'd change my recommendation to an R9-280X.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:23 pm

Compromise on an R9-290 (non-X)?
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:55 am

I'm definitely waiting to see what the 290/x looks like, those reviews from yesterday were pretty interesting.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:54 am

Radeon R9-290 cards from Asus and Sapphire are in stock now for $406, delivered.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:01 am

Still give it a couple days to see where the 780 Ti falls (like literally two days), but right now, if you're after a top tier card, it looks like the 290 is your winner. I'm still not crazy on the heat/noise, but it's got similar performance to a $100 more expensive 780.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:16 pm

I'm also hoping to hear more about how G-Sync plays into things, which makes me think I might put off the 1440p display purchase for just a while. I'm very excited to see how things will fall out, thanks to the 290 cards. It's a shame they run so hot & loud, but wow, perf/dollar ratio is incredible.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:18 pm

Terra_Nocuus wrote:I'm also hoping to hear more about how G-Sync plays into things, which makes me think I might put off the 1440p display purchase for just a while. I'm very excited to see how things will fall out, thanks to the 290 cards. It's a shame they run so hot & loud, but wow, perf/dollar ratio is incredible.


I don't like it, but G-Sync has put a damper on my monitor and GPU upgrade plans. AMD really, really needs to get support for that technology on the market ASAP. I'm not upgrading without it.
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:32 pm

AMD doesn't need to panic yet, and no one should pass on AMD GPUs just because of G-Sync. Early on, you're only going to see it implemented in "premium" monitors geared towards uber gamers (so 144 Hz TN displays). As the tech switches to ASICs, I believe it will become less proprietary to Nvidia and AMD will learn or be shown how to tap into the functionality. Even with the FPGA implementation, it should be possible for any GPU to use it (it just doesn't mean that they know how to yet).
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Re: A long awaited gaming build

Postposted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:42 pm

superjawes wrote:AMD doesn't need to panic yet, and no one should pass on AMD GPUs just because of G-Sync. Early on, you're only going to see it implemented in "premium" monitors geared towards uber gamers (so 144 Hz TN displays). As the tech switches to ASICs, I believe it will become less proprietary to Nvidia and AMD will learn or be shown how to tap into the functionality. Even with the FPGA implementation, it should be possible for any GPU to use it (it just doesn't mean that they know how to yet).


I agree, but I'd still recommend waiting until we have some real samples at retail and some idea of what future support will look like. Nvidia would do well to extol the virtues of the technology beyond gaming!
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