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Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:37 pm

Corsair: 600T
GTX 770 4GB (PNY)
i7-4770K
ASUS Z87 PRO
GSKILL RIPJAWS X-Series 16GB
Seagate Barracuda 3TB
Corsair HX1050
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:42 pm

Maybe adding an SSD? If you are not constrained from money of course. And I don't think you will need such a powerful PSU, unless you plan to go tri-SLI or something. A good aftermarket CPU cooler would be nice also.
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:47 pm

Well, I think the 1050 watt PSU is a good choice. He'll need more if he even adds only one GPU to the mix.

But to the OP: If you don't already have one, you're probably going to need a new UPS that can do the sine-wave thingie during switchover to battery. If not, the power supply/motherboard will just shut down. Don't want that!
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:52 pm

BIF wrote:Well, I think the 1050 watt PSU is a good choice. He'll need more if he even adds only one GPU to the mix.

But to the OP: If you don't already have one, you're probably going to need a new UPS that can do the sine-wave thingie during switchover to battery. If not, the power supply/motherboard will just shut down. Don't want that!


I don't think that the system in question with even one more GTX770 would consume more than 600W of power so I think it's a little overkill. For the sake of efficiency I think a 800W would be sufficient/future proof. Gold or Platinum certification would be nicer of course.
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:47 pm

dractul wrote: $200 -15MIR Asus Z87 Pro
$300 Intel Core i7-4770K
You probably want an aftermarket cooler for that unlocked processor.
$36 CoolerMaster Hyper212 Evo

dractul wrote: $158 2x8 GiB PC3-14900 GSkill F3-1866C9D-16GXM Ripjaws X-Series 16GB (DDR3-1866, CAS 9, 1.5 V)
$396 -20MIR GTX 770 4GB (PNY)
You're very close to the cost of a Radeon R9-290, which delivers much better gaming performance. I paid $400 +6 shipping for the Sapphire Radeon R9-290 at the beginning of November. You may want to wait for the new models with better coolers to become more widely available and for the Litecoin mining scheme to collapse to get Newegg to stop price gouging on these GPUs.

dractul wrote: $120 3.0 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.14
While that's a fine drive for storing your games and files, you'll probably want an SSD for your operating system.
$163 0.25 TB Samsung 840 Evo

dractul wrote: $69 LG WH14NS40 Blu-ray burner
$229 Corsair HX1050
That's far too much money to waste on an over-sized power supply. Here's a better quality more efficient unit with plenty of capacity for less than half of the price.
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dractul wrote: $180 -10MIR Corsair Graphite 600T
That's a lot of money to spend on a case.
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:00 pm

I'm running a similar setup to what you are proposing and I'll tell you right now: That PSU is massive overkill.

I'm currently running a Silverstone PSU at 750w and even with my large overclock I'm nowhere near stressing the PSU. Unless you are planning on some sort of insane Tri-SLI upgrade using GTX-780TI parts or R9-290X parts, that PSU isn't buying you anything.

P.S. --> Unlike some other posters, I'm not going to hate on you for picking an Nvidia card. As a Linux user, my GTX-770 is performing on par or even faster than the R9-290 due to AMD's current driver situation... and the GTX-770 is practically silent during operation too.
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:55 pm

Some additional considerations. Planning on attaching / including music editing / turn table / mixing cards etc. I would hope the PSU is essentially future proof for now. Yes it is overkill for now, but it gives enough growing room for the foreseeable future. I prefer the Nvidia card...because every single time I have owned a Radeon card.. the drivers problems are horrendous.

The case, I just built another system in the 600T and it is an amazing case.
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:20 pm

What kind of music production are you going to do?

The core of a music production rig is the interface. And virtually all audio interfaces are external units with their own power supplies. You don't need to factor that into your expectations for power. They usually connect via USB. Nothing special needed. There are a couple premium-priced brands that allow for DSP processing cards, essentially extra processing power visible within select DAWs for your plugins. They're extremely overpriced, relics from the days when CPUs were shadows of what they are today. And if you do go that route, you'll need to expect to pay at least double for your plugins. We're talking thousands and thousands of dollars more than necessary for the vast majority of audio engineers in the world.

If you need help picking out an interface for your needs, let me know.

I agree with the others:

- You really want an SSD, even if you don't know it yet. I agree with JustAnEngineer, Samsung 240 EVO is an excellent choice for the money. Put your operating system and programs on the SSD, and everything else on the HDD.
- Your PSU is overkill. Seriously.
- If you plan to overclock, get an aftermarket CPU cooler. The CoolerMaster Hyper212 Evo performs well and is fantastic for the price. I have it in my computer at home. If you aren't going to overclock your computer, stick with the stock cooler.
- A really nice looking case is really nice to look at, and a really easy to work in case is really easy to work in while you build. But after you finish building it, and a week later when you start ignoring your computer's appearance, you will forget those things. As long as your case has good airflow and isn't too noisy for you, it has absolutely no affect on your computer performance. Not that I recommend getting the cheapest barebones case possible. But unless you have cash to throw away, put your money to work on parts that will make a difference.

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Case - Corsair 200R
GPU - GTX 770 4GB (PNY)
Procesor - i7-4770K
Motherboard - ASUS Z87 PRO
RAM - GSKILL RIPJAWS X-Series 16GB
SSD - Samsung 840 EVO 256GB
HDD - 2x Seagate Barracuda 3TB in RAID1
PSU - Corsair 650TX
Optical - LG BLACK BD Burner/ROM
Cooling - CoolerMaster 212 Evo
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:38 pm

If you insist on having hardware accelerated processing for your audio workstation, the appropriate entry is a 16 channel Avid interface with an Avid DSP card: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PTHDX16ana/

For a mere $7,000 more, you can add a second DSP card. What a deal. But you'll need to get plugins compatible. Waves Diamond is a popular pack for $2,500, but it costs $4,400 for the same pack to be compatible with DSP cards.

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On the other hand, if you're just starting out and plan to work with audio one track at a time, get a basic interface like the Scarlett 2i4 for $200: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett2i4/

If you need to be able to handle more tracks at a time, like for recording a drum set, get a similar interface with more channels like the Scarlett 18i20 for $500: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett18i20/

And if you can justify paying more for higher quality, consider something like the RME Fireface 800 for $1,800: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Fireface800/
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:09 pm

I feel like the 770 is a poor choice on an aging rebranded card for the price you're paying. I too prefer to stick with nVidia as I really like Shadowplay, but the r9 290 is much more compelling in that price range.
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:33 am

dractul wrote:I would hope the PSU is essentially future proof for now. Yes it is overkill for now, but it gives enough growing room for the foreseeable future.

Don't kid yourself here. Power consumption has stayed relatively similar over the years while processing power has increased. Take the GTX 280 in 2008 at 300W system power consumption under load compared to GTX 780Ti / R9-290 at 350-370W under load. Both review rigs were "top of the line" when the articles were published.

Use a PSU Calculator to get you in the ballpark with the build you're planning (or read reviews like the ones I linked). With the focus on energy savings and smaller systems these days, I don't expect component power consumption to climb much higher. The PSU calculator also helps you pick a "future GPU upgrade" or dual-GPU setup to see what your future power supply needs might be. If you have educated yourself on the actual needs of your system and your future plans call for a 1000W PSU, that's fine. The reason everyone is chiming in is that it seems like you're making an "uneducated decision" (no offense).
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:57 am

You're entitled to your own preferences, but I agree with everyone else on the case and PSU. If you really like the case I can see spending extra because of asthetics and ease of build (you'll actually be spending some time with it), but the PSU will just sit inside and never give you any benefit. Get something from Seasonic/Corsair, etc in the 600-750w range for about $100, and then take the money you save and put it towards an SSD.
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:06 am

Awesome system that won't feel any faster than a Core 2 Quad because you skipped the SSD. Definitely need solid state storage. I'm fine with the PSU and case. I went cheaper with a CX600M and a Fractal Design Define R4, but if you want to go top end, go for it. Just don't choose form over function by skipping the SSD.
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Re: Planned Build - Thoughts from the Gerbil Minions

Postposted on Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:21 am

dractul wrote:The case, I just built another system in the 600T and it is an amazing case.

It might be a great case, but the 750D is $160, $140 with MIR. That would give you the same kind of routing options as the 600T. It's based on the 650D, which is what I am using (awesome, btw).

Also make sure you add a SSD. It will be worth it.
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