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First Build (REVISED 03/14/2014)

Postposted on Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:52 pm

Please start at my newest post, which was posted on 03/14/2014

After a couple hundred hours of watching videos and reading up on computers I think I am about ready to build my first machine. What will I be doing with the computer? Video editing with Sony Vegas Pro 12. Music production with Ableton. Using the computer as a DVR. I won't be doing any gaming but I may in the future. My current piece of crap I bought off Dell.com a few years ago just isn't powerful enough to get the job done. I would appreciate any feedback on the parts I am choosing for the build. Oh, and as far as my budget is concerned...the socket 2011 processor is too expensive for me. Ok, here goes!

PROCESSOR: Intel Core i7-4770 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770 $310
I really don't think I need to go with a 4770k...

MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Z87-PRO LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $209
I understand that I can go with an H87 chipset but there seems to be a limited selection and they don't seem to as good of boards compared to the Z87's.

VIDEO CARD: EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2765-KR GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support w/ EVGA ACX Cooler Video Card $270

POWER SUPPLY: CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready $130

CPU COOLER: ENERMAX ETS-T40-W White 120mm Cluster CPU Cooler with Cluster APS PWM Fan $50

CASE: Corsair Vengeance Series C70 Gunmetal Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $120

MEMORY: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M2A1600C9 $170

SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE250BW 2.5" 250GB SATA 6Gb/s MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $190

HDD WD BLACK SERIES WD2003FZEX 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $150

Other items I will install but don't feel like I need advice on: Blu-ray burner, card reader, TV tuner, video capture card, after-market LED case fans...
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:47 pm

Corsair Vengance RAM has very tall heatspreaders (that aren't really necessary by the way). They may pose clearance issues with aftermarket CPU heatsinks. Try one of these options with shorter heatsinks instead.

Everything else looks pretty good to me. Sounds like you've really done your homework!
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:20 pm

750W is gross overkill (unless you're planning on adding another GPU in an SLI setup). You could drop down to something in the 500W range and save $40 or so.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:43 am

Looks okay from here.

Make sure you get a GTX760 with a good quality open-air cooler (the EVGA one you have selected is fine).
Most (if not all) of the the blower-style reference coolers on the GTX760 have a grating, howling whine, even at idle. It's not that loud but I notice you're doing music and DVR duties - it's not something you want to hear in the background.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:54 am

Just want to endorse your build. I'm finishing up my new build--and it has a i7-4770K, ASUS Z87 Pro MB, and a WD Black 3TB.

Re the poster that says WD Black hard drives are loud--then he must have ears like Superman--with some fans installed (or even without) the drive should be well within heat tolerances and virtually inaudible.

Do recommend the 4770K since the board is perfect for easy overclocking with the included AI software suite. If you have any questions during the build that I MIGHT be able to assist with then please PM me. Good luck!
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:17 pm

Avoid the K-series! - They're great for gaming, but not for what you're doing.

You DO NOT want to overclock when dealing with audio creation software. Many wave/audio/midi/recording packages are EXCEPTIONALLY clock-sensitive. There are thousands of threads on hundreds of forums including this one about the issues, and whilst a lot of the problems are drivers, some of it is just plain old PCI latency that relies on a rock-stable 100MHz PCI-e system clock.

Also, some of the better audio software is OLD, you may want to run Windows XP as a VM, and thanks to Intel's stupid product segmentation the K-series processors lack VT-D so you can't get such direct access to the hardware for VMs. For audio softare, eliminating lag is absolutely essential so a K-series chip will probably spoil your week if you need to do this.

There seems to be a lot of FUD appearing in these system builder topics as of late (not mentioning any names). Am I alone in thinking this?
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:22 pm

Chrispy_ wrote:You DO NOT want to overclock when dealing with audio creation software. Some of it is just plain old PCI latency that relies on a rock-stable 100MHz PCI-e system clock.

Not trying to argue for or against K-series, but... You can OC Haswell without changing the "BLCK" Although yes, typically, you don't overclock "productivity rigs" as a general rule of thumb for stability and data accuracy reasons.

Chrispy_ wrote:Also, some of the better audio software is OLD, you may want to run Windows XP as a VM

Not sure what audio software you're referring to, but I use Band-In-A-Box and Sonar x3 Producer and they're both Win7 & Win8 compatible. (Steinberg WaveLab8 also)

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Re: First Build

Postposted on Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:11 pm

Wicked Mystic wrote:
iamjsmith83 wrote:PROCESSOR: Intel Core i7-4770 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770 $310
I really don't think I need to go with a 4770k..

i7-4770 processor is meant for OEM machines or casual users. Since you are buying high end motherboard, there is no reasons to buy i7-4770. i7-4770K is better choice.

i7-4770 makes no sense even if not overlocking because Xeon 1230 v3 is much cheaper.


I split the discussion of SSD flash memory types into a new thread, here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=93048

Please continue to be civil and helpful in this new member's first build thread.

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Re: First Build

Postposted on Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:39 pm

iamjsmith83 wrote: I am about ready to build my first machine.
Excellent. Have you read the latest system guide?
http://techreport.com/review/26082/tr-f ... stem-guide
The sample system configurations are gaming oriented, but Cyril's discussion of the pros and cons of choosing each component is useful for any build.

iamjsmith83 wrote: $310 Intel Core i7-4770
Because I'm not familiar with your video editing software, I don't know how well it benefits from hyper-threading. Games tend not to benefit as much, so the Core i5-4670 ends up providing a better bang for the buck in that case.

iamjsmith83 wrote: $209 ASUS Z87-Pro
Which features does this motherboard have that you need, compared to a less expensive model like the $130 Asus Z87-A?

iamjsmith83 wrote: $270 EVGA 02G-P4-2765-KR GeForce GTX 760 2GB
For 1920x1080, this is plenty of graphics card. If you're going to game at 2560x1440, you may want to step up to a hot-clocked GeForce GTX770 for $340.

iamjsmith83 wrote: $130 CORSAIR HX Series HX750
You could save some money here.
$71 SeaSonic SSP-450RT

iamjsmith83 wrote: $50 ENERMAX ETS-T40-W
Is this any better than the $35 CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo?

iamjsmith83 wrote: $120 Corsair Vengeance Series C70
Cases tend to depend on personal preference. Have you looked at the models recommended in the guide?

iamjsmith83 wrote: $170 2x8 GiB PC312800 Corsair CMZ16GX3M2A1600C9
Those DIMMs have large decorative heatsinks. I suggested some memory without this design defect in your previous thread.
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=93028&p=1197627#p1197627

iamjsmith83 wrote: $190 250 GB SAMSUNG 840 EVO
It's $40 cheaper at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electroni ... 00E3W1726/

iamjsmith83 wrote: $150 2.0 TB Western Digital WD2003FZEX
Western Digital hard-drives have not been price competitive since the floods a few years back.
$135 (with promo code "EMCPHHC24") 3.0 TB Hitachi H3IKNAS30003272SN(0S03660)
$110 3.0 TB Seagate ST3000DM001
$100 3.0 TB Toshiba DT01ACA300
Seagate drives have been reported to be significantly less reliable than Hitachi, but my four examples of that drive are working fine so far.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:55 pm

DPete27 wrote: very tall heatspreaders (that aren't really necessary by the way).

Totally agree. DRAM chip packages are plastic, and we know that plastic doesn't conduct heat well, if at all. Most of the heat from DRAM chips is conducted via the pins, not the package, and the heat-spreaders *cannot* touch the pins.

If looking at pretty/snazzy, but functionally-useless, heat sinks is important, then enjoy. But focus on the timings, e.g. CAS latency. Bare DRAM DIMMS are fine, but regardless keep some airflow in the general area.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:22 am

Compiling what already have been discussed:

Processor (if overclocking)

Core i5-4670K or Core i7-4770K, no other options exist on LGA1150 platformm

Processor (if not overclocking)

Cheap solution i5-4670K (resale value much higher than non-K models, poor virtualization), cheap solutions also i5-4570 (OK virtualization), more expensive Xeon 1230V3 (better choice than i7-4770, much cheaper, marginally slower and missing only integrated graphics that is useless anyway).

Motherboard

If overclocking, z87 chipset based one. Price depends on how much overclocking.

If not overclocking, cheap H87 board. Differences between z87 and H87 boards are mainly on overclocking options.

Power supply

500W is enough for any single graphic card setup. Modular or non modular.

Memory

2*8GB DDR3-1600 1.5V, and small heatsinks. Large heatsinks on memory modules are useless.

Hard disk

If seagate is OK, then Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200 RPM.

If Seagate is not OK, it's between slow Western Digital models or expensive WD Black.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:04 pm

Thanks for all the input everyone. It's greatly appreciated. But now I am getting confused on a few things!

MOTHERBOARD: I think my new dilemma now is which motherboard to get. I originally settled on the Asus Z87-Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131979 but now I'm wondering if I should save a few bucks and get the Asus Z87-A http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131981 that somebody recommended. I decided on the more expensive option based mostly on reviews and the idea that you usually get what you pay for. The cheaper "A" motherboard I noticed has less PCI slots and I am not sure at the moment if that will be an issue but it may be. I will only have 1 video card but I know it will take up 2 of the slots on the back of the case. I can only assume that since it takes up 2 slots it will make one of the PCI connectors next to it useless. Correct me if I am wrong on that. But anyway, I will never have more than 1 video card. I am going to put in a sound card, TV tuner, and it looks like if I go with the "A" board instead of the "Pro" board that I would need to add a Wi-Fi card if I want to connect wirelessly to the internet. And the "Pro" board has the wireless built in to the board so I wouldn't need to add a card to one of the PCI slots. Additionally I want to add one of those "capture" cards...something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6815100100 ... So again there is some concern about all the add-on cards that connect in the PCI slots on the motherboard. Please bear with me for I have no building experience! Oh, and as for the H87 Asus board, there are only 5 reviews on Newegg so that is kind of scary for me to commit to.

PROCESSOR: I think I am pretty much set on getting the i7 4770 instead of the i7 4770k. I really don't see a need for me to overclock. And I just wouldn't feel comfortable doing it anyway. But I noticed some mention of saving money and getting the i5. This was my first issue I set out to solve on my computer build journey. It was my understanding that for video editing with multiple video and audio tracks being "stacked" in a timeline that the i7 would be the better choice since it has a total of 8 threads, which are supposedly huge when it comes to smooth video editing. Unless someone can show me substantial proof that I can smoothly edit with an i5 that doesn't have a total of 8 threads, I will be getting the i7 4770. I'd love for someone to prove me wrong!

MEMORY: I have noted the issue of taller RAM sticks interfering with after-market CPU coolers and will find a shorter option.

CPU COOLER: It was suggested that I could get the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo for $15 bucks cheaper. I have read that they can be a pain in the butt to install and I have seen enough videos to show me that the Enermax CPU cooler performs very well, and the fan is relatively silent. But I could get the Enermax cooler that doesn't have a painted heat sink and LED fan for about the same price as the Cooler Master cooler if I wanted to save a few bucks.

POWER SUPPLY: It was suggested that I could get a power supply in the >500 watt range. I know the CPU draws 84 watts of power and the video card draws 170 watts of power so between the two that is 254 watts. I am assuming that those are the two biggest power draws for a computer. Can anyone give me an approximation of what other parts of the computer will use? And also I was wondering if a power supply was rated at say 500 watts with 90% efficiency does that mean that the most power that the supply could output is 450 watts (500 x 0.90) or is it in fact 500 watts?

My brain is hurting so that's all I have for now. Seems like the more I learn the more questions I have. I did in fact check out the guide and it was very helpful. I am dead set on getting the Corsair C70 Black Vengeance case. I love the look and with a new piece of acrylic to replace the ugly window that comes with it, it will make one awesome looking case with some LEDs lighting up the inside. Thanks for all the guidance. You guys kick a**!
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:08 pm

Why do you need the video card again? If you are not going to game now, the IGP in the CPU you have selected will work just fine. Add the video card down the line when you are ready to game.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:00 pm

iamjsmith83 wrote:Thanks for all the input everyone. It's greatly appreciated. But now I am getting confused on a few things!

MOTHERBOARD: I think my new dilemma now is which motherboard to get. ....... and as for the H87 Asus board, there are only 5 reviews on Newegg so that is kind of scary for me to commit to.


You sure ou need PCI slots? I consider those expensive motherboards to be just waste of money, if not overclocking.

Too few reviews? Basic boards usually don't have anything to review.

iamjsmith83 wrote:PROCESSOR: I think I am pretty much set on getting the i7 4770 instead of the i7 4770k. I really don't see a need for me to overclock. And I just wouldn't feel comfortable doing it anyway. But I noticed some mention of saving money and getting the i5. This was my first issue I set out to solve on my computer build journey. It was my understanding that for video editing with multiple video and audio tracks being "stacked" in a timeline that the i7 would be the better choice since it has a total of 8 threads, which are supposedly huge when it comes to smooth video editing. Unless someone can show me substantial proof that I can smoothly edit with an i5 that doesn't have a total of 8 threads, I will be getting the i7 4770. I'd love for someone to prove me wrong!


Easy. Compare

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116906

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116900

and http://ark.intel.com/compare/75122,75054

iamjsmith83 wrote:POWER SUPPLY: It was suggested that I could get a power supply in the >500 watt range. I know the CPU draws 84 watts of power and the video card draws 170 watts of power so between the two that is 254 watts. I am assuming that those are the two biggest power draws for a computer. Can anyone give me an approximation of what other parts of the computer will use?


PSU works best effiency if load is somewhere around 50-70% of maximum. Your computer will probably draw 300W max. That is about 60% of 500W.

iamjsmith83 wrote:And also I was wondering if a power supply was rated at say 500 watts with 90% efficiency does that mean that the most power that the supply could output is 450 watts (500 x 0.90) or is it in fact 500 watts?


500 watts and power draw from wall is then 500/0.9=555W.

cjcerny wrote:Why do you need the video card again? If you are not going to game now, the IGP in the CPU you have selected will work just fine. Add the video card down the line when you are ready to game.


Adobe software will take advantage of video card and Intel is bad on that department.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:48 pm

iamjsmith83 wrote:Can anyone give me an approximation of what other parts of the computer will use?

Use a PSU Calculator. Like Mystic said, they operate at max efficiency around 50% load. That's why it will look like the PSU is twice as big as the system power draw.

cjcerny wrote:Why do you need the video card again? If you are not going to game now, the IGP in the CPU you have selected will work just fine.

I've been wondering the same thing this whole time. I figured it was something related to GPU acceleration in the software, so I let it slide. I wonder if the new power sipping 750Ti would maybe be a better option if gaming isn't important....shaves $100 of the total and you can still use GPU acceleration? (not to mention light-moderate gaming chops if the urge arises)

BTW. (I feel like I ask this a lot) Do you live near a Microcenter? Their CPU+Mobo deals are the best around.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:43 pm

DPete27 wrote:
cjcerny wrote:Why do you need the video card again? If you are not going to game now, the IGP in the CPU you have selected will work just fine.

I've been wondering the same thing this whole time. I figured it was something related to GPU acceleration in the software, so I let it slide.


OP says he doesn't game now but may want to in the future.
Ditching the GPU for the moment is a good option though, the Haswell IGP is actually okay for casual gaming at 720p which is all the consoles have managed up until now, anyway.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:16 am

Chrispy_ wrote:OP says he doesn't game now but may want to in the future.

Apparently I should have revisited the OP. Anyhow, the 750Ti being roughly equivalent to an R7 260X (7790) means that it can do respectable frame rates at 1080p medium-high settings. Downside of course is that it costs about $170 while R7 260X's go for around $140 (7790's used to be around $110). I suggested the 750Ti solely based on its lower power draw which should make it easier to cool quietly (important for audio mixing/recording rigs IMO) But heck, I got my Asus GTX 660 (equiv. to R7 270) for $165 and that thing is damn-near silent even under load ....crypto-currency has really messed GPU prices up.

This GPU choice all depends on how serious the OP is about gaming and what this so-called "future" timeline is. I wouldn't recommend anything under a 750Ti/R7 260X (2GB VRAM also) for modern AAA titles since they offer easy 1080p gaming experience without having to spend time trying to dial settings in to achieve optimal detail/framerates in games like lesser cards. Ease of use is VERY important for new/casual users.

I (personally) would hesitate buying a $250 GPU (even though the GTX 760 is very nice, 1080p high-ultra settings no problem) unless you're going to put a lot of time into gaming (or have a large budget). I'm perhaps more frugal than other gerbils, but I spent about 15-20 hours a week gaming when I bought my GTX 660 which is still serving me well. Now that life has "gotten in the way" and I'm in the 5 hr/week range, I have no regrets about my purchase.

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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:51 am

cjcerny wrote:Why do you need the video card again? If you are not going to game now, the IGP in the CPU you have selected will work just fine. Add the video card down the line when you are ready to game.


I don't really have an answer for this. I have been told I can get away using the integrated graphics but it's not "recommended." Plus I can use GPU acceleration with Sony Vegas.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:57 am

cjcerny wrote:Why do you need the video card again? If you are not going to game now, the IGP in the CPU you have selected will work just fine. Add the video card down the line when you are ready to game.


http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/veg ... celeration

Do you think that information validates getting a graphics card or should I just use the integrated graphics?
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:17 pm

As said before, integrated craphics has no match for GeForce. So you are crippling your machine heavily. Even AMD APU is much better choice than any Intel if not putting separate video card.

So GeForce + Xeon is good choice.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:37 pm

Wicked Mystic wrote:As said before, integrated craphics has no match for GeForce. So you are crippling your machine heavily. Even AMD APU is much better choice than any Intel if not putting separate video card.

So GeForce + Xeon is good choice.


Now you have got me doubting myself more than ever! There are plenty of things I don't understand (obviously) about tech specs. I looked at the comparison of the i7 4770 and the Xeon. It looks to me like the only substantial difference between the two processors is that the 4770 has integrated graphics. Looks to me like it's socket 1150 so they go on the same boards. I see no other difference except in the clock speeds and it looks like the difference is so small that it may be ignored. Can you tell me if there's anything else significant in the difference between the two processors that I am missing. I am definitely considering getting the Xeon processor now and getting a discrete graphics card.

Another quick question...I want to get 4-pin fans to use the software that comes with the board to control the speed of the fans using the PWM technology. So my question is: Is that ability to control the 4-pin fans related to the processor or is it motherboard based? It is my current belief that it is dependent on the motherboard...
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:43 pm

Here is another situation I would appreciate some guidance on: I plan on having a TV tuner installed in the computer and at times I will have my television on to watch football, for example, while I am doing video editing. Would I run into any problems doing this if I had the Xeon processor and a GTX 750 video card?
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:45 pm

Wicked Mystic wrote:As said before, integrated craphics has no match for GeForce. So you are crippling your machine heavily. Even AMD APU is much better choice than any Intel if not putting separate video card.

Disagree. He said he's not going to be playing any games right now, so he's better off saving the money and using integrated graphics. Reason being, If he buys a card now, it's just going to sit idle in his case and lose value. 12 months from now or however far down the road, he'll be able to get a newer better card for the same money.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:47 pm

iamjsmith83 wrote:http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/veg ... celeration

Do you think that information validates getting a graphics card or should I just use the integrated graphics?


Oh, you need an AMD card.
Here's a really relevant chart for you. You'll notice a complete lack of Nvidia cards in the top spots because they're bad at OpenCL and Vegas Pro is an OpenCL application.

Unfortunately, the cryptocurrency craze means that the good OpenCL cards are ludicriously overpriced at the moment, but the crazy pricing only seems to affect the R9 series. You should be perfectly happy gaming on an R7 260X and it'll do a fantastic job in Vegas Pro.

Wicked Mystic, please stop confusing people! If the OP gives you a link to an OpenCL-accelerated application, a Geforce is not the right direction to push him in - Nvidia cards since the Geforce 6 series a couple of years ago have been close to worthless for compute and especially OpenCL.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:58 pm

Radeon R9-270 / HD7870 or GeForce GTX760 provides good gaming performance at 1080p. Don't buy anything slower than Radeon R7-265 / HD7850 if you intend to play recent games. While cheaper cards may be "playable", you'll get a noticeably more enjoyable gaming experience for the extra $50 to $100 that you spend here on the graphics card. If you go higher in the Radeon line (Tahiti GPUs in Radeon R9-280 / HD7950 or R9-280X / HD7970 or Hawaii GPUs in Radeon R9-290(X)), you get into the cards that are currently selling for double their list prices because they are strong performers in the litecoin mining bubble. If you want higher performance for gaming, GeForce GTX770 / GTX 680 is where you should look.

Your processor choices are fine. I agree with you that there's not much difference between the Xeon and the Core i7 when you're installing them on a consumer-oriented motherboard.

There are plenty of good PWM fans available. It's up to your motherboard to provide controls for them unless you buy a dedicated fan controller. Asus' fan controls are generally the best in the industry.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:03 pm

I'm not in the US, are R9-270's affordable or have the miners depleted your stocks of those too? - I'd read that 7870's were being used in mining rigs as well.

I'd agree that an R9 is better for modern gaming but not at the crazy pricing you guys are currently seeing on higher-end AMD cards. Now that the OP has linked his primary software, it seems careless to put gaming performance (which he may never get around to) ahead of the main goal for his new build.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:05 pm

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Wicked Mystic wrote:As said before, integrated craphics has no match for GeForce. So you are crippling your machine heavily. Even AMD APU is much better choice than any Intel if not putting separate video card.

Disagree. He said he's not going to be playing any games right now, so he's better off saving the money and using integrated graphics. Reason being, If he buys a card now, it's just going to sit idle in his case and lose value. 12 months from now or however far down the road, he'll be able to get a newer better card for the same money.


Intel OpenGL drivers suck, enough reason to buy discrete card. Price is another matter. For example putting 40$ for video card now and more after a year.

Chrispy_ wrote:Wicked Mystic, please stop confusing people! If the OP gives you a link to an OpenCL-accelerated application, a Geforce is not the right direction to push him in - Anyone that has any experience with OpenCL avoids Nvidia cards and has done for at least three years.


That application supports Cuda. And that is something AMD lacks. And Adobe software tend to have much better Cuda support than OpenCL support. Sadly.

Besides Cuda support, AMD is much better choice, yes.
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Re: First Build

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iamjsmith83, your video editing will benefit from a GPU and you show at least some interest in gaming, so definitely include on in this build. Which one you choose will depend on your budget. Since Vegas will likely benefit more from a Radeon and your original listed card was $270, I think that makes a R9 270 your best choice with current prices. (Assuming you're buying in the US. I hear that Europe has more sensible pricing.) Actually, R9 270's are caught in the same bubble...if you can spend that much on a video card, just get a more powerful Nvidia one (like the GTX 760).

JustAnEngineer wrote:There are plenty of good PWM fans available. It's up to your motherboard to provide controls for them unless you buy a dedicated fan controller. Asus' fan controls are generally the best in the industry.

For PWM fans, follow what JAE said here. Your motherboard will provide the PWM signal. You just need to make sure that you choose a fan that takes a PWM input as opposed to one controlled by a dial (my Thermaltake Frio is not a PWM controlled fan).

EDIT: Should have checked 270 pricing first...
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Re: First Build

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Wicked Mystic wrote:That application supports Cuda. And that is something AMD lacks. And Adobe software tend to have much better Cuda support than OpenCL support. Sadly.


AMD lacking CUDA is irrelevant for Vegas Pro 12. Sony themselves specifically state,
Vegas Pro™ 12 leverages the processing capabilities of modern GPUs (Graphic Processing Units) using the industry-standard OpenCL™ framework. Rather than being tied to a single manufacturer or technology, this hardware-agnostic approach enables Vegas Pro 12 users to enjoy remarkable performance improvements across a broad range of popularly-priced, widely available GPU devices.


Nvidia cards completely suck at OpenCL, there's no way to candy-coat it - a $99 HD7700 is faster than a $1000 TitanGTX in Vegas Pro 12.
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Re: First Build

Postposted on Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:57 pm

$185-$250 isn't completely insane for a Radeon R9-270 / HD7870. True, these cards were $150-$200 last summer, but the markup here isn't nearly as brutal as the price gouging that Newegg is putting on the higher-end Radeon cards. Consider that HIS model H270QM2G2M for $191 as a reasonable starting point. Here's a Sapphire model for $200 at Amazon.
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