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fhohj wrote:I don't know too much about playstation emulation or pcsx2. I can only say that the last time I used it was slightly before the 1.0 I think. and they were talking about some major improvement to allow those on quad cores to get a boost from them.
Hz so good wrote:My rig is a i7-2600K @ 3.5GHz (gonna OC to 4-4.5 at some point), an HD7950 3GB clocked at 1GHz, and 8GB DDR3-1600, and I can run pretty much anything at 1080p. The main issue with emulation you're gonna have is how good/efficient the emulators are.
I can easily emulate PS2, Wii, Gamecube, Dreamcast, Saturn, most Arcade boards, as well as play COD: Ghosts, Metro: Last Light, and such wide open, all at 1080p.
EDIT:
Forgot to mention that a Logitech Wireless Keyboard, a Razer Mamba mouse, and a wireless 360 controller make gaming on the big screen fun.
fhohj wrote:I don't know too much about playstation emulation or pcsx2. I can only say that the last time I used it was slightly before the 1.0 I think. and they were talking about some major improvement to allow those on quad cores to get a boost from them.
this page recommends a "i3/i5/i7" at 2.8ghz, but makes no preference for the i5s, so it could be that it's still mainly dual-core focused or the quad core improvements are either experimental or have since been taken away due to stability or usability concerns or other stuff. also, emulation is more cpu-intensive than native gaming workloads by way of the op translation. and apparently, emulating the ps2 was unusual due to the strange way it was set up with two different processors, making it a bit of a larger process workload relatively speaking. and the gpu will have less to do in general than modern games because when the stuff is translated to dx calls, it still is only getting the gpu to compute lower-res textures, models, and older shaders, possibly running at low resolution compared to modern cards.
going by the system requirements, you should be just fine with the i3. and then you can put more money into your gpu, if that suits you. but, if it is true that your main focus is emulation, then that kind of configuration is more towards sub-optimal in this case. you may wanna peruse their forums and see what people think.
Skullzer wrote:I think for what you want to do with your HTPC an i3 should be fine. Any idea on what type of case you want? I have the fractal design node 605, it looks awesome and was easy to build in...but things run really hot in there! I actually opted to take out my graphics card because the case was really hot to the touch. Also, are you planning on using the PC to watch and record live tv?
As far as input lag is concerned, I'm about 10 feet from my computer and get noticeable lag when using the trackpad on my little Logitech k400 keyboard. The xbox 360 controller works great though!
astuart88 wrote:Also, the case...One of the pricier components, but overall, I need something that looks decent in the lounge - unless someone could recommend something a little cheaper?
kumori wrote:astuart88 wrote:Also, the case...One of the pricier components, but overall, I need something that looks decent in the lounge - unless someone could recommend something a little cheaper?
Checkout the Silverstone Grandia series. Some of those are around $100 and are meant to blend in with AV components.
Melvar wrote:You don't need a big tower cooler for an i3, the stock cooler should work fine. You also probably don't need to get thermal paste; the Intel coolers have a single dose pre-applied, and most other coolers come with a tube of it. The different pastes really aren't that different in performance anyway, especially at the lower end of the power/heat spectrum.
You probably won't be drawing more than 200 watts under load, so as long as the GPU you want only has one 6-pin power connector the Corsair CX430M should be a good enough power supply for this system. Up until recently I was running a very similar system (i5 3350p, 650Ti Boost, 1 SSD, 2HDDs) with one of those. You may not get any benefit from the modular version (the molex cable is the only one you might not need, depending on how your case fans get their power), so you might be able to save a few more dollars getting the CX430 non-M.
The main downside to the CX430(M) is that it only has 4 SATA connectors, and one of them is going to be very close to the optical drive. It will be fine for the parts you've listed, but you might not be able to add a second HDD without mounting it in an optical drive bay.
Melvar wrote:You need a better video card than that. The 650 non-Ti is a very weak card. If you want to game at 1920x1080 you really get your money's worth stepping up to a 660, but an AMD r7 260 or 260X (or a 7790 if you can still find one) is a decent choice if you want to spend less. Try and get a 2GB card if your budget allows.
At the very least if you do get a really low end card, make sure it has GDDR5 and not DDR3, even though it's usually 1GB of GDDR5 vs 2GB of DDR3. The DDR3 cards are much slower.
astuart88 wrote:US$72¼ 2x4 GiB PC3-14900 G.Skill F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL (DDR3-1866, CAS 9, 1.5 V)RAM
8GB G.Skill Ares - $99
astuart88 wrote:US$100 Silverstone Grandia GD05 micro-ATX HTPC caseCase
Silverstone Lascala LC10-E ATX HTPC case - $118
southrncomfortjm wrote:As for the graphics card, definitely up it to at least a 750 Ti. 1gb of VRAM is probably fine if you stay at 1080p and keep the anti-aliasing turned down. The 750 Ti will handle anything out now very well. Shoot, it runs Battlefield 4 on high at 1080p at a solid 60fps, though that review was done with an i7 processor and with a 2gb card.
southrncomfortjm wrote:For your stated purposes and uses, I think your build is solid.
The i3 has decent gaming chops - I use it in my HTPC with a HD 7850 and do fine on Guild Wars 2 and Titanfall at 1080.
As for the graphics card, definitely up it to at least a 750 Ti. 1gb of VRAM is probably fine if you stay at 1080p and keep the anti-aliasing turned down. The 750 Ti will handle anything out now very well. Shoot, it runs Battlefield 4 on high at 1080p at a solid 60fps, though that review was done with an i7 processor and with a 2gb card.
2TB of storage is a ton of space for just about any user. I have a 3TB drive since I record a lot of gameplay footage, but even then it doesn't take up much space after I run it all through Handbrake. For me, the 3TB was more about getting the high density platters for higher sequential write speeds (around 180-190mb on the outer edge 1gb partition I made).
As for input lag, I play my PC from a recliner all the time using either a wired or wireless Xbox 360 controller. I never have an issue even playing games like Titanfall (I really only use KB and mouse for MMOs). If I can still shoot pilots that are ping ponging off walls with my controller, you can handle any single player game just fine.
One final caveat - I built my gaming rig on a bit of a budget as well and made good choices for what I wanted to do at that time. A year later, I wish I would have spent a bit more and gotten a 660ti or 7950. If you really get into PC gaming, you will want to hit a solid 60fps all the time, and then you will want to turn up the eye candy. My 7850 is a major trooper. The only game it has trouble with at higher detail settings is Guild Wars 2, and that's really only in the big 80-100 man world versus world battles. It works well, but I'd be a bit happier with a card with more pixel power to turn the graphics up a bit more - GW2 is a solid looking game even with the graphics turned down, but it looks really amazing with the shaders set to high among other settings. So yeah, look at your build, look at your wallet, and just be sure you are okay settling for something that may feel a bit underpowered in a year. If you are okay with that, go for the 750ti. If not, spring for a 760. its easier to spend an extra $100 now rather than an extra $250 a year later.
Good luck with the build! Please post pics!
EDIT - and one other thing - you *always* want to game at native resolutions if at all possible. Put your game resolution to 1080p and then adjust other settings down to make the game run smoothly. Don't lower the resolution unless you cannot get the game to run well at all.
Melvar wrote:In terms of upgrading the GPU, I'm with southrncomfortjm on this one; you will be happier in the long term with a 760 (or a 660 Ti, they perform about the same). Don't forget about the power connectors. You need a PSU that has enough cables to supply the GPU. That CX430 should be enough for most 660's, but you'll probably need to step the PSU up for anything bigger.
I wouldn't go for a 4GB card for 1080p. You'd be better off putting that cash towards a faster GPU or CPU.
southrncomfortjm wrote:Yeah, with a 760, get a 500-550 watter just to be safe - leaves a bit of room for overclocking too.
southrncomfortjm wrote:Melvar wrote:In terms of upgrading the GPU, I'm with southrncomfortjm on this one; you will be happier in the long term with a 760 (or a 660 Ti, they perform about the same). Don't forget about the power connectors. You need a PSU that has enough cables to supply the GPU. That CX430 should be enough for most 660's, but you'll probably need to step the PSU up for anything bigger.
I wouldn't go for a 4GB card for 1080p. You'd be better off putting that cash towards a faster GPU or CPU.
Yeah, with a 760, get a 500-550 watter just to be safe - leaves a bit of room for overclocking too. I use a Rosewill Tachyon 550 and that works fine for me, though I got it on sale and it was no more expensive than a comparable Seasonic, but it had a higher 80plus rating. I'm not a huge fan of Rosewill, but the Tachyon is actually just a rebranded Sunflower PSU, so its good quality. Something like this Seasonic or this Corsair are perfect if you can find them locally.
And agree on the second point too - 2gb is all you need at 1080p. More VRAM, if you system isn't already maxing out VRAM usage, won't improve frame rates or anything. If you really feel like you can spend $350 on the graphics card, you may want to consider a GTX 770 for a bit of future proofing. That said, you should do very well at 1080p with a 760 and it remains my recommendation. And yes, the path of PC building is normally fraught with "its only X dollars more..." for the next better piece. Avoid that kind of thinking... except for the graphics card
Also noticed that Justanengineer recommended a Silverstone GD05 case - I can second that case since its the one i used in my HTPC. It was solid with my non-modular power supply, and I can only imagine it is even better with a modular one since you won't have to deal with the clutter I had to. its a solid case and looks like a piece of home theater equipment rather than a PC. I paid $100US for it and never regretted the choice.
Melvar wrote:southrncomfortjm wrote:Yeah, with a 760, get a 500-550 watter just to be safe - leaves a bit of room for overclocking too.
A quality 450 watt PSU should be fine if it has the right cables. An i3 system with a 760 should draw well under 300 watts under load. The issue is that the 760 will have either two 6-pin PCIe connectors or one 6-pin + one 8-pin, so the power supply needs to have those as well. The CX430 I recommended earlier only has one 6-pin connector.
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astuart88 wrote:The 660 I have priced is at $199 AU...If I spend another $100 I could bump that up to a 2G 760...or, another $166 (on top of $199) and it could be a 4G 760...Would be over what I wanted to spend, but hey, what's an extra $100 or so.....(Yes, I realize I'm treading a dangerous path here...). I can actually get the 750 ti for the same price as the 660...Have NO experience with Radeon, so can't really make a comment...Though, the R7 265 isn't on MSY (Where I normally get my hardware from)...
In another thread, I wrote:Radeon R9-270X is a faster version of R9-270 which is an updated version of Radeon HD7870. These cards use the full Curacao/Pitcairn XT GPU which is noticeably more powerful than the Pitcairn Pro GPU that has 1/5th (20%) of its shaders disabled in the Radeon R7-265 / HD7850.
At as little as US$182, Radeon R9-270 provides a good gaming experience at 1080p. Radeon R9-270 has much better gaming performance than the similarly-priced GeForce GTX750Ti.
southrncomfortjm wrote:If there's one thing we do well here, its bust budgets if you let us .
*SNIP*
Also, just to mess with things some more, note that the integrated graphics on an Ivy Bridge or Haswell i5 will be plenty to run emulators and even some older games, like Morrowind, though I wouldn't want to try Witcher 2 at 1080p with it (but who knows, my Ivy Bridge i5 will run Battlefield 3 at 30ish frames and low quality settings). Unless you need to jump right into Witcher 2 and PS2 emulators right away, you can buy everything else now and see how you feel about a graphics card later. Basically, you can catch up on older games trying the integrated graphics and decide on a GPU later, maybe after some new cards some out and the cards you are considering drop in price a bit. Just thought I'd add that to make things interesting.