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So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:18 am

Hello, my 5 year old rig just crapped out on its last spider in dark souls. Even the bios screen has graphical glitches. It can't even boot up! I'm typing this on an tablet so please forgive possible formatting issues. At any rate the computer lasted being that it was a gtx 285 on a i7 920 processor.


Onto the main course! I'm building a new rig and would like some input if you fine gentlemen and ladies don't mind. I have two build ideas here and here. I already have an ssd as well as several hdds for storage, as well as a monitor at 1900x1200.

I'm building for gaming, art and longevity. Art specifically being comics/concept art. Being that my old rig didn't have much trouble with that I'd say this won't either. Regarding longevity I was actually trying to hold out for the 800 series but it seems no go in that regard. Also on that note will contemporary mobos be compatible with ddr4 ram? At some point down the line if like to game at next gen res but i don't need that capacity immediately. Regarding gaming, I like all sorts from crusader kings 2 to dark souls 2. My main reason for waiting on the 800 series was the hope that it might carry me through the next gen of console games (on the PC). However if I build now I expect I might need a mid gen upgrade.

The only difference between the 2 lists is the video card. In that regard I've been an nvidia guy ever since I had a bad experience back in 2004 with an ati card. However the performance and memory on the amd card at 100 less is giving me pause. My other question / issue is I'd like to possibly be able to build a hackintosh on this. I built It on my old rig but it was a little unstable so I took it off. I'd like to try again sometime with this rig.

If anyone has any comments/ideas suggestions all is welcome.thank you for your time!
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:30 am

1) Do you live near a Microcenter? They're your best deal for the CPu+mobo. Watch their sales, they sell i7's for $250 at least 4 times a year.
2) Is your budget $1200?
3) Any reason you need a AIO CPU cooler that a $30 Hyper 212 EVO air cooler can't accomplish?
4) There's a reason why the GTX770 costs more than the R9-270X.
5) I don't like ATX cases...too big. mATX provides enough expansion slots for most people these days. I also don't like to spend over $100 on a case. ($70-$100 is my optimal price range)
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:36 am

DDR3 only on current mobos.

Will you be overclocking? If not no need for a K series CPU or Z series mobo or watercooling.

Do you need full ATX? Might as well save some space and go mATX imo. You'll still have room for some expansion cards if you ever need them.

The 2GB GTX770 will be quite a lot faster than the 4GB R9270X, but if you go for the 770 I'd get a 4GB version since you're aiming for longevity. Future games will love VRAM.
An R9280 or 280X would also be great options. Great GPUs and they can be had for much less than a 4GB or even 2GB GTX770 these days. In fact if it were me it's be R9280 for sure.

Also you could do 2x8GB instead of 4x4GB on the RAM. Same performance and capacity for possibly less money, and the option to add more if you ever feel the need.

Anywho my current favorite CPU is the Xeon E3-1230V3. Basically an i7-4770 for $50 less.

P.S. definitely follow DPete's advice and check out Microcenter if you can. They run some very good deals.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:38 am

After building a recent kevari rig and being still utterly laughably disappointed (as I warned the user i was building it for..) ... go with intel again.

--get the cheapest k series intel cpu

--get 8 gigs *minimum* ram (2200mhz or better)

--get a 760Nv or a amd r9 card with *4 gigs of vram* <-- must! after seeing that BF4 likes 3gig cards, and some hero engine games need 3gig cards plan for the future since your last rig like mine was 3+ years old., i prefer the windforce triple fan setup from gigabyte. nice and quiet.

--get a stupid level powersupply so that you will never 'tax it' .. and have it run almost dead silent even under load (antec, corsair, enermax in the 900+ watt range... look for 100+ amps on the 12v rails total)

--get a oem single metal constructed liquid oem cooler.. SINGLE METAL so no corrosion issues occur.. single metal means copper radiator and cpu block.. or all aluminum cpu block and heater core.

--get a motherboard from evag,asus or gigabyte. pick one that lists in the cpu compatibility guide the fastest and hottest intel cpu possible. maybe pick a board used in TR's cpu reviews that has a *huge amount of pwm,chokes and phases*.

--get gskill ram.. get the slightly more spendy 2200+ speed ram so that you can ensure that it will run *under those speeds* stably on a OC bus.

oc the piss out of the intel chip

win.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:40 am

Don't get a really high wattage PSU. A good 500W unit will be more than adequate.

You probably don't need to overclock either. A stock i7 or Xeon E3-1230V3 is very fast.

Haswell is indeed more sensitive to RAM speed than previous Intel CPUs. There are gains to be had going with 1866MHz and higher, but I wouldn't spend more than $20 extra for anything above 1600MHz. Good 1866MHz CL9 kits can be had for not much more than a 1600MHz kit, so that's what I'd do.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:43 am

homerdog wrote:Don't get a really high wattage PSU. A good 500W unit will be more than adequate.

You probably don't need to overclock either. A stock i7 or Xeon E3-1230V3 is very fast.


until you listen the the fan blazing away, even the 120mm fans under load. if you can score a 100amp+ psu for a bill... you will *love* it as it will run cooler, 4x quieter and live ALOT longer than a psu that is 90% taxed.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:46 am

homerdog wrote:Don't get a really high wattage PSU. A good 500W unit will be more than adequate.

You probably don't need to overclock either. A stock i7 or Xeon E3-1230V3 is very fast.

Haswell is indeed more sensitive to RAM speed than previous Intel CPUs. There are gains to be had going with 1866MHz and higher, but I wouldn't spend more than $20 extra for anything above 1600MHz. Good 1866MHz CL9 kits can be had for not much more than a 1600MHz kit, so that's what I'd do.



this is true, but if the OP is going to OC, going for 2133-2200mhz speed ram will guarantee that it will run at full timings on a loaded bus at the 1900mhz it will end up at. it is not a performance thing, it is a ''it will work 100% perfect under-clocked every time without tweaking it thing''. I have run into kits of ram that once you fill 4 slots the ram will not work at the rated speed... since the OP had a 4 year old rig i will bet a cup of coffee that he had all 4 ram slots filled over time.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:50 am

Hmm, my 520W Seasonic PSU is dead silent under load. The 500W Corsair unit in my other PC is barely audible. A really high wattage PSU will actually be less efficient than a sensible one, not to mention more expensive. Seems like a really bad idea.

Are you suggesting he should overclock the baseclock instead of just raising the multiplier? That is not a good idea.

Besides we don't know if he's interested in overclocking. Seems unnecessary with an 8 thread CPU that already runs >3.5GHz. I'm sure you've seen all the data suggesting that overclocking a fast Intel CPU makes almost no difference in most situations.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:56 am

homerdog wrote:Hmm, my 520W Seasonic PSU is dead silent under load. The 500W Corsair unit in my other PC is barely audible. A really high wattage PSU will actually be less efficient than a sensible one, not to mention more expensive. Seems like a really bad idea.

Are you suggesting he should overclock the baseclock instead of just raising the multiplier? That is not a good idea.


to each their own i suppose :) for the PSU, but if the psu is under say 50% load at its highest usage then it is no less efficient than the loaded 550 you mention as it will have LESS thermal losses because it is not being run at capacity.

baseclock ... mmm no i would skip that. But if he keeps the rig for 4 years again he will eventually drop in more ram and fill all 4 slots. At that point the ram will no longer run at rated speeds possibly.

but a suggestion is all it is from me who builds and OC's pretty much for a living. thats all ..

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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 12:04 pm

Regarding AMD(ATi) vs Nvidia reliability, I was dealing with mostly Geforce & Quadro cards up until the GTX285, the last of which died or was replaced about 18 months ago.
When Nvidia switched to Fermi/Kepler they murdered their compute and DP FLOPS performance and I started buying GCN cards (mostly Radeons and not FireGL).

Over the last five years and maybe 1000 graphics cards, I've had to replace maybe 20-30 Nvidia cards and 3 AMD cards which is close enough to call even in the reliability stakes.

Yesterday, I (a minion, actually) assembled PC numbers 190-196 since the AMD graphics switchover, meaning my failure rates are roughly proportional to the number of cards we've had from each vendor, considering their age and service time difference too.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 12:10 pm

Chrispy_ wrote:Regarding AMD(ATi) vs Nvidia reliability, I was dealing with mostly Geforce & Quadro cards up until the GTX285, the last of which died or was replaced about 18 months ago.
When Nvidia switched to Fermi/Kepler they murdered their compute and DP FLOPS performance and I started buying GCN cards (mostly Radeons and not FireGL).

Over the last five years and maybe 1000 graphics cards, I've had to replace maybe 20-30 Nvidia cards and 3 AMD cards which is close enough to call even in the reliability stakes.

Yesterday, I (a minion, actually) assembled PC numbers 190-196 since the AMD graphics switchover, meaning my failure rates are roughly proportional to the number of cards we've had from each vendor, considering their age and service time difference too.


got a Vendor statistic list ? :)
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 12:11 pm

His PC at full load might draw 250-300W max, right where a good 500W unit will be at maximum efficiency. That's exactly what you want, and good PSUs are designed to be very quiet at ~50-70% load.

As for filling up all the RAM slots, that is actually a memory controller issue and has nothing to do with the RAM itself.
I recall back in the day my C2DE6750 could hold 2 2GB sticks on a 400MHz FSB, but I had to relax the timings to get 4 sticks at that speed. You could put in the fastest DDR2 in the world and it made no difference, since it was the memory controller holding things up.

That's an old example but it still holds true. If you can run 2 sticks at 2300MHz but not 4, faster memory won't help you. Overvolting the CPU might.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 12:13 pm

Chrispy_ wrote:Regarding AMD(ATi) vs Nvidia reliability, I was dealing with mostly Geforce & Quadro cards up until the GTX285, the last of which died or was replaced about 18 months ago.
When Nvidia switched to Fermi/Kepler they murdered their compute and DP FLOPS performance and I started buying GCN cards (mostly Radeons and not FireGL).

Over the last five years and maybe 1000 graphics cards, I've had to replace maybe 20-30 Nvidia cards and 3 AMD cards which is close enough to call even in the reliability stakes.

Yesterday, I (a minion, actually) assembled PC numbers 190-196 since the AMD graphics switchover, meaning my failure rates are roughly proportional to the number of cards we've had from each vendor, considering their age and service time difference too.

Remember bumpgate? That was a real problem back in the G92 days. It was resolved long ago.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 12:16 pm

maxxcool wrote: but if the psu is under say 50% load at its highest usage then it is no less efficient than the loaded 550 you mention as it will have LESS thermal losses because it is not being run at capacity.

Ok, that's it. I'm going to stop you right there (homer beat me to it). You should look at what a system like this draws from the wall. For future reference, use a power supply calculator. The 50% duty cycle (max efficiency) is built in.

FWIW, your statement/s aren't entirely flawed. If you prefer to buy low-end PSUs with noisy fans, your approach would (technically) work. But the OP specced out a good quality 80+ gold rated PSU, so it's more-or-less a non-issue. Also, its relatively easy to determine whether a PSU will have a noisy fan, just look up a review on the unit you're interested in.
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Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 12:29 pm

So many replies! I'll try and answer them all.

Dpete:
I do live next to an MC but I want the rig running ASAP so waiting for a bundle is less of an option. However good call regarding looking em up. I was already going to run over there for the case.
Yeah 1200 I suppose is max but under is preferable.
I suppose not, I've learned it's bette to be safe than sorry regarding cooling. My current 285 I had to max the fans out manually otherwise it would overheat even on low end 2d games. Still no I don't plan to oc.
Good call regarding the review. I remember reading that review sayin f yeah green team! Mainly cause my know it all buddy is all about amd.
You might be right but I just love the look of the 750d case as does my gf. Also a smaller case would only take up less of the space that I have allotted for the case, if that makes sense. Still when I runner to mc I will be taking a gander at the 450d.
Thank you!
Homerdog:
No overclocking is my intention. If not those CPUs and mobo what do u recommend?


Yeah I wondered about that regarding VRAM. I will go for the 4 then!
Regarding regular ram, ok I though that using more slots might give the CPU better access to the memory. If not then your right may as we'll leave room for later.
Regrading the psu my old one is a 750 watt corsair and I was actually wondering just now if I could keep it. Otherwise I don't mind spending money on a good psu as the headaches of having one on on the fritz always sounded bad. Judging from your debate, sounds like 650 is in a sweet spot.

Maxxcool: sounds like you agree with the suggestions I've put forth taking into account the suggestions that homer dog made? Besides the psu. You both seem to be advocating for more powerful ram so I will do that.


Thanks everybody. My replies are slow as this tablet is a real handicap.

Edit: also I'm going to change the list as we speak so I hope this doesn't create confusion down the line.

Another edit: dpete, wow your right 100 $ off the 4770k awesome!!!
Should I go for the 4820k though?
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 1:08 pm

Sounds like you can keep the Corsair PSU then. Great! (unless you think there's something wrong with it... hard to tell from your post)

If you're not overclocking, you can go for just a good H87 mobo and the Xeon E3-1230V3 or something even cheaper from Microcenter. The 4770K for $100 off is nice, just remember the K series don't support Transactional Memory and it's tough to say if that will become an issue in the future. The regular i5/i7 CPUs and Xeons do support that among a couple other things that you probly don't care about :)

Regarding RAM slots, as long as you fill two of them you're good on the LGA1150 platform. It's only a dual channel memory controller.

BTW the 4820K is on a different socket and requires a different (older and more expensive) mobo. You don't want to go that route. It's not even Haswell.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 1:49 pm

Homerdog do you think the psu can be saved? I actually don't think it is experiencing any issues, I have no reason to think it does. I suppose the best path is to not buy a new one and transfer my old one to see if it works. Otherwise I have no reason to get a new one other than perhaps noise etc.

What sorts of things are transactional memory used In?

Regarding the last two bits, ok thanks for cluing me in!
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Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 2:14 pm

If there's nothing wrong with then certainly you can use it. That's a really good power supply.

TSX makes it easier for programmers to write multi-core friendly code. Haswell includes the first hardware implementation of it on x86 platforms, so like any new extension it will take some time for software to start using it. In theory, software written to take advantage of TSX would run faster on a CPU that supports it (or maybe not run at all on hardware that doesn't support it nevermind that is not the case). But since no software exists yet (that I know of) and I haven't heard of any in the pipeline, it's hard to say how it will be used in the future!
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I wouldn't worry too much about it, just wanted you to be aware that if you aren't overclocking you'd be better off with a non-K series CPU. How much is MC asking for the 4770K?
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 2:24 pm

redwood36 wrote:I do live next to an MC but I want the rig running ASAP so waiting for a bundle is less of an option. However good call regarding looking em up. I was already going to run over there for the case.
Another edit: dpete, wow your right 100 $ off the 4770k awesome!!!

Microcenter always has the best CPU+mobo combo deals (they don't go away). Just sometimes they sell i7's for EVEN LESS than the ludicrously low price of $270 they normall charge.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 3:02 pm

homerdog wrote:His PC at full load might draw 250-300W max, right where a good 500W unit will be at maximum efficiency. That's exactly what you want, and good PSUs are designed to be very quiet at ~50-70% load.

As for filling up all the RAM slots, that is actually a memory controller issue and has nothing to do with the RAM itself.
I recall back in the day my C2DE6750 could hold 2 2GB sticks on a 400MHz FSB, but I had to relax the timings to get 4 sticks at that speed. You could put in the fastest DDR2 in the world and it made no difference, since it was the memory controller holding things up.

That's an old example but it still holds true. If you can run 2 sticks at 2300MHz but not 4, faster memory won't help you. Overvolting the CPU might.


It is a load / impedance issue. more IC's == more load at the rated speed. so if he wants the best success at 1866, buying 2133 now and in the future and running it at 1866 would mean he would have 0 issues with timings or bumping the ram multiplier down.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

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redwood36 wrote:So many replies! I'll try and answer them all.

Dpete:
I do live next to an MC but I want the rig running ASAP so waiting for a bundle is less of an option. However good call regarding looking em up. I was already going to run over there for the case.
Yeah 1200 I suppose is max but under is preferable.
I suppose not, I've learned it's bette to be safe than sorry regarding cooling. My current 285 I had to max the fans out manually otherwise it would overheat even on low end 2d games. Still no I don't plan to oc.
Good call regarding the review. I remember reading that review sayin f yeah green team! Mainly cause my know it all buddy is all about amd.
You might be right but I just love the look of the 750d case as does my gf. Also a smaller case would only take up less of the space that I have allotted for the case, if that makes sense. Still when I runner to mc I will be taking a gander at the 450d.
Thank you!
Homerdog:
No overclocking is my intention. If not those CPUs and mobo what do u recommend?


Yeah I wondered about that regarding VRAM. I will go for the 4 then!
Regarding regular ram, ok I though that using more slots might give the CPU better access to the memory. If not then your right may as we'll leave room for later.
Regrading the psu my old one is a 750 watt corsair and I was actually wondering just now if I could keep it. Otherwise I don't mind spending money on a good psu as the headaches of having one on on the fritz always sounded bad. Judging from your debate, sounds like 650 is in a sweet spot.

Maxxcool: sounds like you agree with the suggestions I've put forth taking into account the suggestions that homer dog made? Besides the psu. You both seem to be advocating for more powerful ram so I will do that.


Thanks everybody. My replies are slow as this tablet is a real handicap.

Edit: also I'm going to change the list as we speak so I hope this doesn't create confusion down the line.

Another edit: dpete, wow your right 100 $ off the 4770k awesome!!!
Should I go for the 4820k though?


yeah!

if you are not going to overclock, i would buy the best bang\per buck intel cpu (k or not).. you 'can' skip hyperthreading if your not doing alot of transcoding.

as for memory access, more sticks does mean more interleaving access.. but it also introduces more impedence (load).. but again with no over clocking no alot to worry about there. but it will reduce the teeeeeny-tiny latency introduced by paging across 4 sticks by only having 2. but over all imo strong opinion *2 sticks are better than 4* for future upgrades and stability. I would still recommend ddr2133 or better to tip the odds in your favor for better stability at 4 sticks when you add two more in a couple of years.

on the psu fromt with no OC, I agree with Homer, sticking to 600-700 watts will likely be fine.. just shoot for a good solid brand with tons of 12v amps. corsair makes some nice psu's with high amp single rails that i do like.

gluck!
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

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homerdog wrote:His PC at full load might draw 250-300W max, right where a good 500W unit will be at maximum efficiency. That's exactly what you want, and good PSUs are designed to be very quiet at ~50-70% load.

As for filling up all the RAM slots, that is actually a memory controller issue and has nothing to do with the RAM itself.
I recall back in the day my C2DE6750 could hold 2 2GB sticks on a 400MHz FSB, but I had to relax the timings to get 4 sticks at that speed. You could put in the fastest DDR2 in the world and it made no difference, since it was the memory controller holding things up.

That's an old example but it still holds true. If you can run 2 sticks at 2300MHz but not 4, faster memory won't help you. Overvolting the CPU might.


It is a load / impedance issue. more IC's == more load at the rated speed. so if he wants the best success at 1866, buying 2133 now and in the future and running it at 1866 would mean he would have 0 issues with timings or bumping the ram multiplier down.

IC's = Integrated Circuits?

More DIMMs puts more load on the IMC in the CPU. Even then on modern Intel CPUs this should not be an issue at 1866.
Still it has nothing to do with the rated RAM speed or timings. I think you've simply discovered a legitimate issue (4 DIMMs sometimes won't run as fast as 2) and misplaced the blame. It is purely a memory controller issue. I promise.

Anyway it comes down to price. 2133 memory is great but if it adds $40 to the cost of RAM, that money would be better spent on a larger SSD or faster GPU. The higher memory speeds can make a difference, but in the grand scheme it's not that much.

Edit: wait a minute, it could be possible on certain motherboards that 4 DIMMs would receive slightly lower voltage than 2 DIMMs. I think that may explain your issues with RAM not operating at the rated specs with 4 DIMMs. This could be resolved by bumping up the voltage on the DIMMs or buying faster memory and underclocking it. Does that make sense?
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 5:24 pm

redwood36 wrote:Homerdog:
No overclocking is my intention. If not those CPUs and mobo what do u recommend?


If you're not overclocking, the Xeon E1xxx v3 chips tend to provide similar thread/clock stats as core i7 CPUs at a lower cost. Just have to spend a little extra time on motherboard compatibility lists to make sure that the BIOS on your new motherboard supports the CPU.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 6:12 pm

maxxcool wrote:--get 8 gigs *minimum* ram (2200mhz or better)

I'm not as technologically literate as I used to be, but should you match your RAM speed with the CPU's bus speed and not necessarily get the fastest clocked RAM for the sake of it?
I remember reading some comparisons between 1600mhz, 1866mhz, 2133mhz RAM and while the 2133mhz RAM was faster, it was almost negligibly so.
CAS latency is more important.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 8:31 pm

1866MHz CAS9 is optimal for Haswell in terms of price vs. performance. There are very few people that run daily OC's like maxxcool is talking about (suggesting). OCing RAM is not worthwhile for real world tasks as it only makes very small single-digit differences in even the most memory sensitive tasks. Memory OCing is really only for benchmarking/epeen.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 9:21 pm

redwood36 wrote:CPU
Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor $326.98
CPU Cooler
Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $64.99
As DPete27 suggested, the $30 CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo would cool at least as well for less money.

redwood36 wrote:Motherboard
Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $134.99
I will also agree with DPete27 that a micro-ATX solution like the $125 Asus Z87M-Plus should meet all of your needs.

redwood36 wrote: Memory
G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory $156.99
Do not buy a 4x4 GiB memory kit. If you need 16 GiB of memory for your art applications, buy that as a 2x8 GiB kit. You'll get better performance with two DIMMs than with four, and you'll still have two slots free if you ever need to go up to 32 GiB of memory in the future. This memory defaults to PC3-12800, but it includes an XMP profile for PC3-14900 (DDR3-1866), as well:
$150 2x8 GiB PC3-12800 Crucial BLS2K8G3D1609ES2LX0 (DDR3-1600, CAS 9, 1.35 V, low profile)

redwood36 wrote: Video Card
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card $338.98
This is a good graphics card, but you're getting close to the $380 price point of the much more powerful Radeon R9-290 4GiB.

redwood36 wrote: Case
Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case $139.99
That is a huge 71.7 liter case. I have been pleased with the $100 Silverstone Temjin TJ08-E, which takes up only 30.2 liters.

redwood36 wrote: Power Supply
Corsair Professional 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $109.99
If you're going to spend that much, you might as well look at a SeaSonic PSU like the $122 SSR-750RM or the $99 SSR-650RM.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:27 pm

maxxcool wrote:until you listen the the fan blazing away, even the 120mm fans under load. if you can score a 100amp+ psu for a bill... you will *love* it as it will run cooler, 4x quieter and live ALOT longer than a psu that is 90% taxed.

This is bad advice, sorry.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Thu May 01, 2014 11:44 pm

So, wait a minute. What about the TR System Guide?
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Fri May 02, 2014 8:30 am

MarkG509 wrote:So, wait a minute. What about the TR System Guide?

The OP's parts list was already pretty good, showing they know enough about hardware that the System Guide probably wouldn't help much (never hurts to read through it though). All posts here are really just fine tuning/bickering.
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Re: So my rig just burst into flames of glory...

Postposted on Fri May 02, 2014 10:14 am

homerdog wrote:
maxxcool wrote:
homerdog wrote:
Edit: wait a minute, it could be possible on certain motherboards that 4 DIMMs would receive slightly lower voltage than 2 DIMMs. I think that may explain your issues with RAM not operating at the rated specs with 4 DIMMs. This could be resolved by bumping up the voltage on the DIMMs or buying faster memory and underclocking it. Does that make sense?
This is really off topic. :)


^ this :) ram vdroop is a bitch for ram "at speed".. but if the ram is under-clocked it is less of a issue.
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