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KKD wrote:Welcome to the Tech Report!Hi Everyone. My first post here.
KKD wrote:This one?My HP 6787P desktop just stopped working.
KKD wrote:The builds in the System Guide are mostly geared toward gaming, but the discussion of components there could help you select pieces for your system.My budget is roughly $1200. I surf the web, but my graphic design work (Corel X5, Photoshop, etc.) is what's most important. I plan on using the 2- 21" monitors that came with my HP. I also plan on using a WD External HD I have, too.
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell Quad-Core 3.5GHz
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VII Hero LGA1150 Z97 ATX
RAM?
Graphics: EVGA 04G-P4-3768-KR GeForce GTX 760 FTW 4GB ACX Cooler
SSD?
Hard-drives: 2ea 1.0 TB Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 7200 RPM
Optical drive?
Card Reader?
Case: Cooler Master HAF X Full Tower ATX with Window
PSU: Cooler Master V750 – 80+ Gold, Modular
Operating System?
deepblueq wrote:The longer cycle latency gives back most of the speed from the higher frequency to produce a very similar total latency.8 GB, that's probably plenty. Edit: you should probably go straight to 16 GB of RAM. I may be biased towards lower amounts because my software setup / typical usage hardly uses any.
I like G.Skill for RAM... This (PC3-12800, 9-9-9-24)... or for 16 GB, this (PC3-12800, 9-9-9-24) looks good. This (PC3-17000, 9-11-11-31) is faster (2133 vs. 1600). RAM speed has little impact on system performance, but at $2 more, why not?
climatepete wrote:Welcome to the Tech Report!Hi KKD, I'm new here myself.
climatepete wrote:I believe that a better solution is simply to buy memory that doesn't have huge decorative heatsinks sticking up to interfere with your CPU cooler. The low profile Crucial Ballistix Sport memory is only 30mm tall. It will easily fit under most CPU coolers.3. CPU cooling:
I think the Thermaltake NICs recommended in the Systems Guide would be good. I got the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo only because the NICs were sold out. NIC vs Cooler Master: the NIC starts the cooling fins a bit higher so that the fan can clear your RAM and still cool all the fins.
climatepete wrote:AMD's gaming graphics cards are strong in OpenCL computing applications. Not everything in Photoshop is accelerated by OpenCL, but if you use the OpenCL enabled operations frequently, you may find that a low to mid-range Radeon graphics card is worthwhile if the budget allows this luxury. I linked to a Radeon R7-260X with 2GB of memory based on the "Bonaire" GPU, the first of AMD's GCN1.1 graphics chips.2.2 Graphics:
a) I think you need just one frame to hold still while you work on it; b) people who desire thousands of frames per second generally use a separate video card anyway.
2.3 btw it seems that PC gaming drives PC hardware, especially super hot CPUs, video cards and the super cooling devices needed to keep them alive. This is nice but advancing it is not your responsibility. Don't be lured into spending several hundred dollars more than you need to.
JustAnEngineer wrote:deepblueq wrote:The longer cycle latency gives back most of the speed from the higher frequency to produce a very similar total latency.8 GB, that's probably plenty. Edit: you should probably go straight to 16 GB of RAM. I may be biased towards lower amounts because my software setup / typical usage hardly uses any.
I like G.Skill for RAM... This (PC3-12800, 9-9-9-24)... or for 16 GB, this (PC3-12800, 9-9-9-24) looks good. This (PC3-17000, 9-11-11-31) is faster (2133 vs. 1600). RAM speed has little impact on system performance, but at $2 more, why not?
While the G.Skill Ares PC3-12800 is good memory at 1.5 V, it is the same price as the better 1.35 V low-profile Crucial Ballistix Sport PC3-12800 that I linked. You don't see it in the specifications on the Newegg page, but the SPD in the Crucial Ballistix Sport PC3-12800 defaults to DDR3-1600 speed when you install it, while the G.Skill memory's default SPD is PC3-10666 (DDR3-1333). You have to select the alternative profile in your BIOS to get this memory to run faster.
Note that the Asus H97 motherboard that I linked officially supports up to PC3-12800 (DDR3-1600) speed. If you want to use faster memory, pick one of the overclocking-friendly Z97 motherboards.
deepblueq wrote:JustAnEngineer wrote:The longer cycle latency gives back most of the speed from the higher frequency to produce a very similar total latency.
I'm having some trouble figuring out what's supposed to be going on with that quote...
2133 / 11 is still higher than 1600 / 9, so the 2133 kit is all around faster.
just brew it! wrote:He didn't say the latency would be worse, he said it would be "very similar". Which they are. Latency of 11 @2133 is ~9% lower in absolute terms than 9 @1600; in anything other than a synthetic memory benchmark, a 9% difference in latency will be lost in the noise. Furthermore, if you end up needing to bump it to 12 @2133 to get the RAM stable (certainly not out of the question), then the latencies are effectively identical.
You'll still see a performance benefit in anything that is sensitive to streaming bandwidth, of course.
deepblueq wrote:...How much lower latency would the 1600 kit have to be to be preferable?...I haven't seen any testing along those lines
DPete27 wrote:Here is the information you seek!
They also did the same study for Haswell, but the Ivy article explains the nuts & bolts better.
KKD wrote:Hi Guys. Trying to post "links" to my order, but it won't let me. I want to run my order past you guys before pressing the "buy" button. Can anybody help? Thanks
Curt
Let's try this? https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySa ... D=22707491
JustAnEngineer wrote:CoolerMaster includes a very small tube of white heat transfer paste in the box with their cooler. It'll perform satisfactorily for several years before it dries out.
climatepete wrote:Thank you JAE! That's the clue I need. My ancient XP machine goes into overdrive far too much. An old Computer Shopper article titled "Install A New CPU Cooler" just about convinces me that real builders do it with cooling towers, but I think all that one needs is to re-paste the stock cooler.
just brew it! wrote:The main advantage the tower-style coolers have over stock is that they are much quieter for a given amount of cooling performance, because they use larger diameter (and lower RPM) fans.
KKD wrote:Here ya go. Let me know how this looks guys? Ready to push the BUY button!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139042
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822149408
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139060
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148663
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130780
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116989
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148820
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127762
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416776
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007
Grand Total: $1,296.73
Again, I'm a screen printer and deal with Corel Draw X5, PhotoShop, ect. on a daily basis. I'm not a gamer....but who knows down the road?
Thanks again for all the help!
Curt
climatepete wrote:CPU: If you really hope to do better than the $75 Pentium 3258, go to i7. Notice that reviewers hardly bother
comparing the 3258 with i<7.
deepblueq wrote:Quad-core is really going to help here.