Personal computing discussed
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Flying Fox wrote:Actually, the idea there of LGA was that the CPU is more expensive than your motherboard. So in the case of bent pins you may just need to replace the cheaper motherboard.
JustAnEngineer wrote:Back in the day, a 0.5mm mechanical pencil (using the hollow tube with the lead retracted) was the preferred tool for straightening bent pins.
just brew it! wrote:Yeah that works great for CPU pins; not so much for LGA socket pins.!
just brew it! wrote:I definitely remember hearing that justification, but I don't recall if it specifically came from Intel (or if it did, if it was an official explanation rather than an aside). I wouldn't be surprised if it's simply cheaper for Intel in the sense that mishandling of components means the bent thing ends up getting returned to the motherboard manufacturer rather than them (even if there's no agreement in place for that -- eg F500 maintenance contracts -- AFAIK the recycling mandates in Europe require that arrangement). The "which part is cheaper" argument begins to fall apart when your "deluxe" motherboard and your unlocked CPU are both about $200, even before you factor in the labor involved.Flying Fox wrote:Hmm... I hadn't heard that line of reasoning, but I suppose it makes some sense, at least on the Intel side. Maybe that explains why AMD stayed with pins for their desktop CPUs, but switched to LGA for the Opterons...Actually, the idea there of LGA was that the CPU is more expensive than your motherboard. So in the case of bent pins you may just need to replace the cheaper motherboard.
Arclight wrote:Am i the only one not seeing an issue here?
Just call your retailer and tell him you have a problem with the CPU and mobo and that you want to return them. Either get yo money back or ask for replacements. How the hell are they going to accuse you of bending pins if you fake that you don't know what's wrong, all that you know is that they aren't working.....
Arclight wrote:Am i the only one not seeing an issue here?
Just call your retailer and tell him you have a problem with the CPU and mobo and that you want to return them. Either get yo money back or ask for replacements. How the hell are they going to accuse you of bending pins if you fake that you don't know what's wrong, all that you know is that they aren't working.....
cynan wrote:I still think it would behoove motherboard manufacturers to put a bright orange sticker over the socket with some kind of warning for idiots like me who are unaware of the that the new Intel sockets are pinned and that EXTRA care is required in installation vs when the CPUs had the pins. The only time I ever bent pins on a CPU was years ago when I knocked one off my desk and onto a hard floor. However as these cpu pins were perpendicular, it was an easy fix. It still works to this day. If they reject the RMA, I guess I'll see how easy these diagonal pins are to fix...
derFunkenstein wrote:Yes, but it doesn't warn you about this particular risk (except implicitly, I guess, in that your RMA won't succeed without it)My Asus board came with a yellow sticker on the socket cover, but I've seen other boards that don't.
P5-133XL wrote:Arclight wrote:Am i the only one not seeing an issue here?
Just call your retailer and tell him you have a problem with the CPU and mobo and that you want to return them. Either get yo money back or ask for replacements. How the hell are they going to accuse you of bending pins if you fake that you don't know what's wrong, all that you know is that they aren't working.....
You don't see the ethical problem? It's goes bad the moment you "fake" something to get someone to do what you want them to do.
P5-133XL wrote:I said nothing about broken laws. I agree, Laws vary between places. My comment was on the ethics -- The rightness or wrongness of things. If there is no wrongness, then why do you need to fake anything?
I'll tell you why, because you are trying to manipulate the outcome. The fact that they can't prove you lie, does not make the lie any less wrong just that you can't get caught at it.
May I suggest you look up what a sociopath is. They don't accept responsibility for their actions and they don't care how it harms others. They will consider the likelihood of getting caught when choosing an action but They only really care about their own positive outcome.
P5-133XL wrote:You are trying to rationalize your behavior which implies you know that it is wrong. The fact that you are lying to the retailer, also indicates you know that faking it is wrong. I am absolutely positive that if you were on the receiving end and someone else stuck you with this you'd be yelling bloody murder. So why are you arguing with me about the wrongness?
At what monetary point does wrongness no longer matter? Is a lie to save yourself $1 any different than a lie to save yourself $1000 or even a million? The fact that a retailer doesn't absorb the cost of a return doesn't matter for someone does be it the manufacturer or even another customer in a price increase.
JustAnEngineer wrote:The worst case scenario is that you get away with your planned fraud and honest people have to pay for it.
just brew it! wrote:If someone stole $50 from you, does the fact that Bernie Madoff stole billions and didn't get caught for decades (and does not have the means to pay it back now that he's been caught) mean you'd be OK with being out the $50?
Arclight wrote:Wooowwwww
People get away with murder, other fraud institution of millions of dollars and none see a day in prison and you guys can't take advantage of warranty for something you paid. Am i being punked?
Deanjo wrote:Arclight wrote:Wooowwwww
People get away with murder, other fraud institution of millions of dollars and none see a day in prison and you guys can't take advantage of warranty for something you paid. Am i being punked?
Warranties cover manufacturer defects, not defective morals. But way to go admitting you are a liar and sacrificing your integrity.