1080p LCD and a PS3

[keshman87]

Hey all,

just wondering if anyone has a ps3 hooked up to a 1080p LCD screen such as the Samsung M86 series? Just wanted to know if there are any blur problems (especially with gaming) that might really put me off, or is it barely noticeable?

im just about to take the plunge for a large-ish TV and ps3 cant afford the newest and best, so looking for the best value for money 1080p screen


Thanks
Tom

[Chaseme]

I've got a PS3 hooked up to a Sharp running 1080p. Looks great! Zero blurring / ghosting from the LCD so far. Fastest moving game I've tried is Burnout and it's fine. If you're worried spend a bit more and get a 120hz.

[keshman87]

yeh i was thinking about going up to the 100Hz screens, but unfortunately just a bit out my price range. Just hoping that the mid-range 1080p's can play fast games without too much trouble

thanks for the reply

[Vrock]

Don't be fooled by the marketing buzz, the 120hz screens don't reduce blurring a whit. Refresh rate and response time are two different things.

[keshman87]

your right, the screen i was looking at has a response time of 8ms... i mean to me thats just a number, so i need people's real experience of playing games on large LCD screens

[JustAnEngineer]

I thought that 120 Hz refresh was about eliminating the 3:2 pulldown Telecine issues with 24 Hz movies? A video display with 120 Hz refresh should be able to play back 24 Hz (or 23.976 Hz) Blue-ray discs with minimal juddering, since each frame (or field) can be displayed an even 5 times.

[Vrock]

your right, the screen i was looking at has a response time of 8ms... i mean to me thats just a number, so i need people's real experience of playing games on large LCD screens

Depends on the person. I can notice blurring/loss of resolution on 8ms screens if I look for it.

[keshman87]

I dont mind some blurring, just dont want it to ruin the experience really

[Vrock]

I dont mind some blurring, just dont want it to ruin the experience really

If you're that concerned, get a plasma or a DLP.

[derFunkenstein]

aren't DLP's prone to more debilitating problems, like colors bleeding? My cousin and her husband have a 62" DLP that looks like **** - might just be their TV, though...unsure of the model. But it put me off of DLP's altogether.

[Vrock]

aren't DLP's prone to more debilitating problems, like colors bleeding? My cousin and her husband have a 62" DLP that looks like **** - might just be their TV, though...unsure of the model. But it put me off of DLP's altogether.

Not that I've heard. Color bleeding is usually a source issue, not a display issue. They probably just don't have the TV set up right.

[Macgyver]

Have a Akai DLP hooked up to a PS3. Got the PS3 for my kids for Christmas. Let them hook it up and noticed the picture was blurry. Told my oldest son he ought to hook it up through the HDMI. (They had it hooked up S-video.) He told me it WAS HDMI. I say to myself, Yea right, you need to study more and skateboard less. So I took all the crappy picture I could stand and hooked it up HDMI. The picture was horrible. Then the PS3 siad, you want me to optimize it for the correct settings? I said YES! And BAM! 1080i nervania :=O. I had to get the squeege out and clean the screen. Next,it was where is the Blu-ray disc, Spiderman3. Threw that in the PS3 and WOW! One of my kids came down stairs and saw the picture and just sat down on the sofa, silent. Next one came down stairs and did the same thing. They couldn't believe the picture. Use the HDMI connection.
I said all this to point out, It's Digital!!! If the screen will play it, and it has the right digital input all the televisions are the pretty much the same. Seen this at Costco to. They pipe in 1080i or p to the sets on display. Thought that I ought to get me a new set. Said when I get home I'm a gonna do a compare. Switched the U-verse to the HD channels for the compare. Same thing. 1080i is 1080i. HD is HD. What you may see, is some picture difference towards the contrast end of the spectrum. Differences when the colors turn darker, but it's still a digital signal.

[sativa]

I have a 42" 1080p Philips LCD hooked up to an xbox 360 elite and it looks great! no blurring. I highly recommend the TV.

[sativa]

now that my xbox hd-dvd drive is next to worthless (except to watch the few movies that i own -- including my wife's hd-dvd harry potters), I really want to get a PS3. I am holding off until they release the units w/ 45nm CPUs

[Vrock]

If the screen will play it, and it has the right digital input all the televisions are the pretty much the same.

I could not possibly disagree more.

[dmitriylm]

Have a Akai DLP hooked up to a PS3. Got the PS3 for my kids for Christmas. Let them hook it up and noticed the picture was blurry. Told my oldest son he ought to hook it up through the HDMI. (They had it hooked up S-video.) He told me it WAS HDMI. I say to myself, Yea right, you need to study more and skateboard less. So I took all the crappy picture I could stand and hooked it up HDMI. The picture was horrible. Then the PS3 siad, you want me to optimize it for the correct settings? I said YES! And BAM! 1080i nervania :=O. I had to get the squeege out and clean the screen. Next,it was where is the Blu-ray disc, Spiderman3. Threw that in the PS3 and WOW! One of my kids came down stairs and saw the picture and just sat down on the sofa, silent. Next one came down stairs and did the same thing. They couldn't believe the picture. Use the HDMI connection.
I said all this to point out, It's Digital!!! If the screen will play it, and it has the right digital input all the televisions are the pretty much the same. Seen this at Costco to. They pipe in 1080i or p to the sets on display. Thought that I ought to get me a new set. Said when I get home I'm a gonna do a compare. Switched the U-verse to the HD channels for the compare. Same thing. 1080i is 1080i. HD is HD. What you may see, is some picture difference towards the contrast end of the spectrum. Differences when the colors turn darker, but it's still a digital signal.

That was the biggest load of crap I've ever read.

[Heiwashin]

The worst blurring and ghosting problems i've seen console related are actually connection problems. With hdmi or component you shouldn't have these problems at all on a remotely decent response time lcd. However, any lower standard connection will assuredly cause visual issues, which looks remarkably similar to an lcd's ghosting.

[VILLAIN_xx]

I thought that 120 Hz refresh was about eliminating the 3:2 pulldown Telecine issues with 24 Hz movies? A video display with 120 Hz refresh should be able to play back 24 Hz (or 23.976 Hz) Blue-ray discs with minimal juddering, since each frame (or field) can be displayed an even 5 times.

Does this 120hz and 60hz have something to do with what im witnessing?

I've noticed that some HD TV's on display at Bestbuy play movies way better than the other. One set would play the movie as its supposed to with out a hitch, and the other one seems as if the animation was rendered without motion blur (sorry thats only way i can describe it) and caused a cheesey movie experience. lol Does any one even know what i am talking about? Ive only noticed this "non blur" happens when its a 3d animated feature.

Im in the market for a 1080p telivision as well. Im stuck between really "cheap" 60hz sets and wonder if i should hold out till the 120hz become standard.

[Usacomp2k3]

I blame it on poor source issues and/or improper setups.

[VILLAIN_xx]

Im pretty sure it was a feature that corrected the "non blur". Hmm, Come to think of it I remember Frys had a demo advertising the differences, but i cant remember that feature. But the price was outrageous and i wasnt in the market at that time for me to really care about that information.

Damn! I hope some one has the answer, or im going to have to go to the store. I hate talking with retail salesmen from either store. I seem to get the nubcakes who just say "more hz is better" with out a reason or example.

[Vrock]

Nearly all 120hz televisions have some kind of frame interpolation algorithm that can be turned on and off. It's supposed to smooth out 24p sources like movies. In my experience, some implementations of this technology can cause the picture to look unnaturally smooth and make motion look unnatural. There are also other artifacts that can crop up (google "triple ball effect).

Sony's tech is called Motionflow and it's pretty good, but it best left on the low setting (or turned off) IMO.

[VILLAIN_xx]

Nearly all 120hz televisions have some kind of frame interpolation algorithm that can be turned on and off. It's supposed to smooth out 24p sources like movies. In my experience, some implementations of this technology can cause the picture to look unnaturally smooth and make motion look unnatural. There are also other artifacts that can crop up (google "triple ball effect).

Sony's tech is called Motionflow and it's pretty good, but it best left on the low setting (or turned off) IMO.

Yep your right. I just went to frys to see their super Aniversary sales. Same demo display again comparing 120hz vs 60hz.

As usual... a person should go do some research before making a 1000k investment and spend a day at Bestbuy. This motionflow technology needs to be especially paid attention to when watching 3d movies like Ice Age, shrek, Cars etc. Real life video are not so much detectable on a slow scene. But when its fast motion scene you can tell a difference.

[Flying Fox]

making a 1000k investment

One miiiiiiillion dollars? /dr.evil

[VILLAIN_xx]

making a 1000k investment

One miiiiiiillion dollars? /dr.evil

hahaha. My bad!


for 1000k it better be a 50000" visual inches and 108000p .

[GokuSS2]

Don't be fooled by the marketing buzz, the 120hz screens don't reduce blurring a whit. Refresh rate and response time are two different things.

Technically while 120hz screens were made mainly to eliminate motion jitter they CAN help with motion blur (depends on the response rate of the panel). So as for you saying "120hz screens don't reduce blurring a whit" you could goto NAB and talk to some engineers + see for yourself ( and try and disprove it). You could also read this
http://hometheatermag.com/gearworks/707gear/
they mostly get it right.


In the end though these are first generation screens and dont show the benfits enough. Not to mention they havent hit a good price point yet.

[Vrock]

Don't be fooled by the marketing buzz, the 120hz screens don't reduce blurring a whit. Refresh rate and response time are two different things.

Technically while 120hz screens were made mainly to eliminate motion jitter they CAN help with motion blur (depends on the response rate of the panel). So as for you saying "120hz screens don't reduce blurring a whit" you could goto NAB and talk to some engineers + see for yourself ( and try and disprove it). You could also read this
http://hometheatermag.com/gearworks/707gear/
they mostly get it right.


In the end though these are first generation screens and dont show the benfits enough. Not to mention they havent hit a good price point yet.

I don't give a damn what the engineers say. Yes, I know in theory it should reduce blurring, but in reality it's a different story. Turn off all the mumbo-jumbo frame interpolation and watch two identical 8ms LCD sets: one at 60hz and one a 120hz. Tell me what your eyes see. I know what mine see.

[GokuSS2]

Don't be fooled by the marketing buzz, the 120hz screens don't reduce blurring a whit. Refresh rate and response time are two different things.

Technically while 120hz screens were made mainly to eliminate motion jitter they CAN help with motion blur (depends on the response rate of the panel). So as for you saying "120hz screens don't reduce blurring a whit" you could goto NAB and talk to some engineers + see for yourself ( and try and disprove it). You could also read this
http://hometheatermag.com/gearworks/707gear/
they mostly get it right.


In the end though these are first generation screens and dont show the benfits enough. Not to mention they havent hit a good price point yet.

I don't give a damn what the engineers say. Yes, I know in theory it should reduce blurring, but in reality it's a different story. Turn off all the mumbo-jumbo frame interpolation and watch two identical 8ms LCD sets: one at 60hz and one a 120hz. Tell me what your eyes see. I know what mine see.

I have at NAB. I saw a difference. A small one but I saw it.

[Spec4]

I was originally in the market for an LCD 1080p HDTV to compliment my PS3, but opted for Panasonic's new 46" Viera model http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6889187085 and couldn't be happier. I was suprised to find out the panel life expectancy of the newer plasmas is 100,000 hours. I also noticed that some TV's looked different at various stores and I guess Usacomp2k3 sums it up best when he said it comes down to the video source.