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Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Mon May 13, 2013 11:23 pm

Canon intros the 200-400mm f4 with 1.4x

On sale end of may for ~ 12K

Want. But a little steep for a non-pro.
Obviously it isn't meant for a non-pro, but I still want.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Mon May 13, 2013 11:32 pm

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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 3:32 am

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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 8:21 am

Guess you aren't even close to the intended audience for such a lense... :P

The people that this is aimed for usually runs around with 2 cameras at $6800 each and then another few lenses, among those the 500/4L IS II that goes for $10.4K. Also considering that it has a special focusing mode for video, they might also intend it for video use, and then 12K is cheap considering the dedicated canon video 4K cameras that takes eos lenses goes for $26K.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 8:29 am

Very interesting by including a teleconverter built into the glass. I like the rationale. And by building it in, yeah you will still lose a stop up to f/5.6, but you probably won't have near the image degradation that you would find with a generic t/c. I'm both jealous of this lens and pretty happy I've got a 200-400/5.6. But you sure do pay for quality and results. That would be a tremendous birding, wildlife, or sports lens.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 8:41 am

For the indented audience that today might carry both the 300 and the 500, it's probably really nice. And since the internal converter is not a fixed one, they can always go the route of using it at 400/4 and then cropping in post if they have enough pixels and need the light. On the other hand, if it's light enough it supposedly also still allows an external converter beside the internal one. And some sports days are mid-day so...

No matter what, most of the L-glass is pretty nice, although I don't wish for anybody to carry them for long since they actually weigh quite a bit. Which is the reason I sold my 70-200/2.8L IS and got a 70-200/4L IS instead. It was the first version, so the 2.8 one wasn't that sharp from 2.8 anyway like the current II version is.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 10:01 am

Aphasia wrote:No matter what, most of the L-glass is pretty nice, although I don't wish for anybody to carry them for long since they actually weigh quite a bit. Which is the reason I sold my 70-200/2.8L IS and got a 70-200/4L IS instead. It was the first version, so the 2.8 one wasn't that sharp from 2.8 anyway like the current II version is.


I love my 100L Macro and I'm starting to really like the 24-105L, but I'm not sure that there's other L glass for me. Moving from a noisier 60D to a 6D breathed new life into most of my lenses, and really made my 70-300 non-L come alive, but I just don't reach for a tele often enough.

And I love the weight and performance of the 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 on either camera, just wonderful complementary lenses; the 50/1.2 and 85/1.2 are renowned, but I don't feel that they add enough for the extra size, weight, price and quirkiness.

If I were to add anything, it'd probably be the Samyang 14/2.8, and if I found myself doing enough tight portraits, a 135L to use instead of the 100L.

But a long tele is certainly intriguing. The 70-300L and 100-400L are both very nice lenses, and the idea of using the 300L with TCs for outdoor work is interesting too; I just don't think I could ever justify the price (or size!) of the 200-400L II. It looks like a lens that punishes the photographer for every shot!
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 11:07 am

Aphasia wrote:No matter what, most of the L-glass is pretty nice, although I don't wish for anybody to carry them for long since they actually weigh quite a bit.

In that case, let me introduce you to a Tokina 80-200 f/2.8. The Canon f/2.8 will float to the ceiling on a cloud of bliss by comparison.

I'm actually tempted to switch to the Canon f/4L IS for the same reasons.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 1:07 pm

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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 1:13 pm

clone wrote:I'm not familiar with Canon camera's or lenses so I can't comment but I do know that Canon is getting decimated and exposed as a total opportunistic fraud in video recording equipment.

it's why I find the high prices on the lenses so odd, it's like the revolution in video hasn't reached into photo despite the parallel's between the products.

regardless if that's what it takes and what it costs so be it I guess but yeah I'm not in that market.


Nice, utterly off-topic, and inflammatory post. Post on msn.com comments alot do we?
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 1:15 pm

ludi wrote:
Aphasia wrote:No matter what, most of the L-glass is pretty nice, although I don't wish for anybody to carry them for long since they actually weigh quite a bit.

In that case, let me introduce you to a Tokina 80-200 f/2.8. The Canon f/2.8 will float to the ceiling on a cloud of bliss by comparison.

I'm actually tempted to switch to the Canon f/4L IS for the same reasons.


Tokina apparently believes lenses should be made of lead. I ended up returning the 28-70mm/2.8 simply because it was too heavy to lug around. I went with a Tamron 28-75mm/2.8 and I have been pleased. Took another $60 for it, but the weight was just too much around my neck.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 2:19 pm

"£11999.99 / €11800"

Ouch! The pound sterling is worth 20% more than a euro. This is pretty weird pricing.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 4:25 pm

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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 5:12 pm

clone wrote:I'm not familiar with Canon camera's or lenses so I can't comment but I do know that Canon is getting decimated and exposed as a total opportunistic fraud in video recording equipment.

it's why I find the high prices on the lenses so odd, it's like the revolution in video hasn't reached into photo despite the parallel's between the products.

regardless if that's what it takes and what it costs so be it I guess but yeah I'm not in that market.


Canon both pioneered DSLR video and has the best DSLR video solutions on the market; Nikon is very close, of course, and outperforms in some situations (as well they should with their higher-resolution sensors and equally nice glass).

To be honest, I thought you were trolling too; I took a minute to rethink where you're coming from, and while I don't agree with your 'passerby' attitude, I do agree with your main point. Canon is intentionally crippling their DSLRs to protect their higher-end video cameras (also based on their DSLRs).

To wit, look up what Magic Lantern is doing. I used it extensively on my 60D and I'm following their progress on the 5DIII and 6D. They're very close to getting the 5DIII to record 1080p in RAW reliably, which would be amazing, and negate the need for an external HDMI-based recorder and SSD (though you'll have a stack of CF cards to account for).
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 7:08 pm

The 100-400L is a joy to shoot. Since I got the Black Rapid Sport strap a year ago, it's no longer a pain in the neck to carry around.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 7:45 pm

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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 8:00 pm

clone wrote:
To wit, look up what Magic Lantern is doing.
that and what they've done with the GH2 are exactly what I was referring to.

no, I was not trolling.


You made a bold negative statement and provided zero source or details to support your statement. If you weren't trolling you were doing your best to look like one.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 8:01 pm

Star Brood wrote:"£11999.99 / €11800"

Ouch! The pound sterling is worth 20% more than a euro. This is pretty weird pricing.


£11999.99 = $18284.38 yet the USA price is 11,800. USA! USA! ;)

It's time to stock up on these babies and make a few round trips to the UK.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 8:06 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:The 100-400L is a joy to shoot. Since I got the Black Rapid Sport strap a year ago, it's no longer a pain in the neck to carry around.


I like it- now if I just had some heavy glass to make it worthwhile :). I did pick up a padded strap for my 60D that I've transferred to the 6D, but that's not a heavy camera, and my heaviest lenses- the 24-105L and 100L- aren't that heavy.

If I were to upgrade to a 100-400L or the newer 70-300L with it's modern IS, I'd definitely be looking at something like that strap. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 10:42 pm

danny e. wrote:It's time to stock up on these babies and make a few round trips to the UK.
Probably hard to hide in ones pants, though.

Probably hard to get the full local price for a gray-market lens with no warranty, too :wink:

Still, if you actually try it, post pics.
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Postposted on Tue May 14, 2013 11:25 pm

Airmantharp wrote:To wit, look up what Magic Lantern is doing. I used it extensively on my 60D and I'm following their progress on the 5DIII and 6D. They're very close to getting the 5DIII to record 1080p in RAW reliably, which would be amazing, and negate the need for an external HDMI-based recorder and SSD (though you'll have a stack of CF cards to account for).


Actually I think they've done it.

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10324/big- ... d-mark-iii
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Wed May 15, 2013 12:33 am

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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Wed May 15, 2013 1:52 am

kumori wrote:
Airmantharp wrote:To wit, look up what Magic Lantern is doing. I used it extensively on my 60D and I'm following their progress on the 5DIII and 6D. They're very close to getting the 5DIII to record 1080p in RAW reliably, which would be amazing, and negate the need for an external HDMI-based recorder and SSD (though you'll have a stack of CF cards to account for).


Actually I think they've done it.

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10324/big- ... d-mark-iii


They're pretty close:

eoshd wrote:Currently most of the action is being done on the 5D Mark III, once a reference version is finalised it will likely be ported to the 6D, 5D Mark II and even 600D. This is development code not finalised, not even Alpha yet. This is experimental code, just written.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Wed May 15, 2013 12:39 pm

ludi wrote:
Aphasia wrote:No matter what, most of the L-glass is pretty nice, although I don't wish for anybody to carry them for long since they actually weigh quite a bit.

In that case, let me introduce you to a Tokina 80-200 f/2.8. The Canon f/2.8 will float to the ceiling on a cloud of bliss by comparison.

I'm actually tempted to switch to the Canon f/4L IS for the same reasons.
If you actually don't really really need F2.8 for the light, go for it, especially if you have the first versions of the 2.8. If it's DOF and low-light you crave, the 135/2L is a great companies for those moments. Sharpest lense I own I think. Perfect for portraits on 5D...

The problem for me was mainly that the first version of 70-200/2.8 IS wasn't sharp from full opening, which the F4 version is, being much newer, the second and more important reason was that together with it I also got a 5D mk2 as an upgrade from the old 20D, which gave me just sooo much higher usuable iso. Third and most important reason, I was to lug it around in a backpack together with the 24-105/4L in new Zealand for 4 weeks... ;) Turned out to be a great combo. At times I seriously wish I had both the 50/1.4, the 100L IS Macro and the 135/2L with me, because each of those has so much uses within their respective areas, but for the weight, the different 4L glass makes much more sense if you actually have to lug it around and travel a lot. And they turn out pretty sharp images. Although you might want to be abit carefull with the 24-105 with vignetting at times.

Funnily enough, I have a 17-40 too, but since I switched to the 5D, I find that 24mm is often enough, so it's quite underused. While of course, back on my 20D, I was a huge fan of the 10-22 because the 24-105 was just too long with the crop.
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Re: Canon FINALLY intros the 200-400 f4 1.4x

Postposted on Wed May 15, 2013 1:06 pm

Aphasia wrote:If you actually don't really really need F2.8 for the light, go for it

Not since getting the 7D a while back, since it has much better low-light performance compared to the 40D I was using before. Pretty rare to shoot below f/3.5-f/4 on the telephoto these days, and for portrait work I've got prime options in my bag.
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