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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:54 am

PenGun wrote:Yeah there are a few lenses have stupid value. They collect em' like jewelery it seems.

And that's what I was getting at WRT Leica. From what I can see on KEH your price range for a Summicron-M 50/2 is spot-on.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:47 pm

I will be very curious to see if Contax G glass goes up in price.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:48 pm

liquidsquid wrote:I had a Sony DSC-R1

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but man, anything over 1K is a lot to suck up for a hobby like this.

And the R1 is what, 2.5K? :P
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:01 pm

TheEmrys wrote:I have lately been intrigued by getting a Minolta Rokkor 58/1.2. It is by no means perfect, but has some awfully nice bokeh and would make a great portrait lens on APS-C. It only runs $400ish. But to make that leap, I'd have to get a lot more serious about portraiture.


Igor has one for $325:

http://www.igorcamera.com/sony_minolta.htm

If that is the same one.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:17 am

So, mostly for PenGun, but I am now sorely tempted by the e-mount. I do a lot of shots at ~50mm and this just sort of blew me out of the water.
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So, the ~$1k 55/1.8 with AF is 99.9% (ish) of the $4k 55mm MF OTUS?

Just wow. Transmission is a bit funky. I didn't think have equivalent transmission and aperture was possible.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:26 pm

Yeah the 55 1.8 is golden. I have the FE 35 2.8 and I have to acquire the camera, which I hope I'll be able to do in a few weeks.

I have a Leica Elmar 135 4 and I'll pick up a Leica Elmarit 90 2.8 after I get the 55 1.8.

All I will need is a real wide after that and I think the Ziess 18mm 4 is testing very well but that will be well in the future. Unless my ship comes in which ... it may, but that's another story.

Yeah i kinda saw this coming. After they announced the FF E mount cameras it became apparent they were in a sweet spot. After an acquaintance, who has over 100 lenses and way too much money, put his Leica MM up for sale because the a7R was a better camera and has gotten very fine results with his Leica lenses, I knew I was on the right track.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:24 pm

The Otus has lower distortion and chromatic aberration, and that's just what you can see from the overview page- which is really the least important set of results DxOMark publishes. And even with the more relevant data included, you're still missing good comparisons for rendering, smoothness of the transition zone, and longitudinal chromatic aberration, where the Otus excels like no other lens available in a 35mm mount.

At least the Sony FE lens is well above average for a standard lens, even if it is a little slow, and it has AF while also being smaller and far cheaper- we Canikon users are going to have to wait for Sigma's 50/1.4 | A to get anything close :).
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:28 pm

The Zeiss lens is available in EF or F-mount variants.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:28 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:The Zeiss lens is available in EF or F-mount variants.


Close to the FE 55/1.8, that is :D.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:19 pm

It will be very interesting to see how the Sigma 50 art lens turns out and at what price point it falls. The 50/1.4 HSM, while excellent, is pretty huge.

If the FE mount could come up with a smallish f/2.8 zoom, I just might make the jump. Rumor has it that IS (SSS) is coming to mirrorless. If so, I will probably switch. Although that Tamron 150-600 is calling my name....
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:40 pm

The 50/1.4 | A 'Sigmotus' will be larger than the outgoing 'Sigmalux' and will retain the same 77mm filter thread- which is a good thing, as the previous lens' most attractive feature was lower vignetting than the rest of the class, which the new lens will hopefully also retain.

As for a 'smallish' F/2.8 zoom- I wouldn't count on it. Can't make 35mm format lenses shorter without the use of Fresnel lenses/diffractive optics, and they can't be any narrower without introducing significant vignetting, assuming that Sony wants to compete with Canon's and Tamron's 24-70/2.8 lenses as they likely do.

Sony getting OSS support is a great thing, too- not just because it'll come on Sony's lenses, but it also means that lenses from Sigma and Tamron that would normally be stripped of their OS/VC will get to keep it.

And that new Tammy super-telezoom- I'm watching it closely. Some Canon users are reporting a number of focus issues, but it does compare favorably to every possible competing lens and lens + teleconverter combination south of $10,000 on the Canon mount.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:03 am

Not that is affects me but OSS on the zooms, it's not on the two primes, may be a problem at 36 Mp.

You are looking at enough resolution to greatly test any stabilization outside of a tripod. There are an abundance of slightly unsharp a7R images, pretty well all camera shake, out there.

I will only use mine seriously on a tripod, well that's true with the Fuji too, I just hate camera shake. Anyone who is contemplating a Sony FF Alpha E should stick to the a7 unless you want to really get down. ;)
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:34 am

Should have bbeen more clear... the rumor is that IBIS will be coming to mirrorless. Post a7, but if/when it haapens, I will have to reevaluate.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:56 am

TheEmrys wrote:Should have bbeen more clear... the rumor is that IBIS will be coming to mirrorless. Post a7, but if/when it haapens, I will have to reevaluate.


People started proclaiming that they couldn't do IBIS with FF sensors like they do with APS-C and m4/3, but then the a99 was kindly pointed out :).

Of course, what would be really cool is to have both working at the same time- like PenGun, I hate seeing camera shake in my images, and I see it in more of them than I'd care to admit. I now have a medium-build Oben tripod, a Surui 44mm ballhead with panning clamp, and an RRS bracket, and tomorrow is my day off!
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:59 am

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TheEmrys wrote:Should have bbeen more clear... the rumor is that IBIS will be coming to mirrorless. Post a7, but if/when it haapens, I will have to reevaluate.


People started proclaiming that they couldn't do IBIS with FF sensors like they do with APS-C and m4/3, but then the a99 was kindly pointed out :).


Well, shoot, its been there since the a900, from 2007.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:01 am

FM did a pretty nice review of using his Canon glass on the a7r, as well as some of the adapter struggles. Since he is a Landscape guy, figured it would be worth a post. Those TS lenses sure do some fun things.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:15 pm

TheEmrys wrote:FM did a pretty nice review of using his Canon glass on the a7r, as well as some of the adapter struggles. Since he is a Landscape guy, figured it would be worth a post. Those TS lenses sure do some fun things.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/


I have used tilt/shift/slide, a LF camera will get right twisted, and it is useful there. Since we have the ability to use both focus stacking and image stitching in digital cameras I don't see a need for the fancy tilt/shift lenses.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:44 pm

PenGun wrote:
TheEmrys wrote:FM did a pretty nice review of using his Canon glass on the a7r, as well as some of the adapter struggles. Since he is a Landscape guy, figured it would be worth a post. Those TS lenses sure do some fun things.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/


I have used tilt/shift/slide, a LF camera will get right twisted, and it is useful there. Since we have the ability to use both focus stacking and image stitching in digital cameras I don't see a need for the fancy tilt/shift lenses.


For static subjects in time-unconstrained situations focus stacking is a relief, but I can really see the benefits of using tilt and shift for just about every photographic situation that can handle manual focus and narrower max apertures.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:26 pm

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PenGun wrote:
TheEmrys wrote:FM did a pretty nice review of using his Canon glass on the a7r, as well as some of the adapter struggles. Since he is a Landscape guy, figured it would be worth a post. Those TS lenses sure do some fun things.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/


I have used tilt/shift/slide, a LF camera will get right twisted, and it is useful there. Since we have the ability to use both focus stacking and image stitching in digital cameras I don't see a need for the fancy tilt/shift lenses.


For static subjects in time-unconstrained situations focus stacking is a relief, but I can really see the benefits of using tilt and shift for just about every photographic situation that can handle manual focus and narrower max apertures.

Yeah landscapes. What else would you do with a tilt shift?
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:44 pm

Architecture? Product photography? Events? Action that can be pre-composed and pre-focused? Portraits?

Anytime you want really controlled focus, either to place the plane of focus within the scene to precisely limit in focus subjects or to broaden the plane of focus to simulate deep depth of field on the subject while also maintaining focus isolation.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:26 pm

Well OK, but except for action it's all just sitting there. It's fine, I've done all of that but the action bit and it can be useful to some extent. It has more influence on a 4x5 than it will on a 35mm size format though. It's funny with a 4x5 and very shallow depth if you want it, you spend a lot of time at f16+ just to get some DOF, tilt and all.

With the price of decent tilt shift lenses where they are, I won't be buying any, just buying nice glass is very expensive and I can deal with depth of focus with far cheaper ways.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:36 pm

Yeah, the prices are pretty prohibitive. I wonder how difficult it would be to get a decent MF lens with a TS adapter for Canon EF in the 24-35mm range?
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:36 pm

Tilt-shift sounds like a perfect lens to rent.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:26 pm

And now a new a7 is coming Sunday. A7s. 12mp, 4k video and 12fps (I suspect just under 10 is more feasible). It is interesting. Might come in anywhere between $1200 & $1500. This is getting very weird indeed.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:08 pm

Not weird at all, great for reportage! :wink:
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:16 pm

Someone speculated several posts ago that Contax G glass should go up in price...
I really hope this isn't the case. I want to buy all of it! Or at least the 28/2.8, 40/2, and 90/2.8. As well as the Contax 50/1.4 (or maybe 1.7) and the Makro-Planar 100/2.8.

I just got a Sonnar 135/2.8, which is probably the cheapest Zeiss glass you can buy, and am blown away by its quality. Pictures will be over in the main image thread once they finish uploading, but if the Contax G lenses are anything like what I just got, they're fantastic glass, especially since most of them aren't that expensive.

It was quite nice of Sony to introduce a FF body that can take all sorts of lenses.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:12 am

So, the specs are out. And they are releasing a 28-134/4 (but a Power Zoom for video - blech).

So, here it is:

12MP
4K video (no pixel binning)
409,600 ISO (wow, up there with the DF)
-4 EV AF (My a7 is 0EV - this will be a much better low light focuser)
Dynamic range is improved, meaning it might have the highest this side of MF.
No word on FPS, but the video can be done at 120fps @ 720p, and perhaps 100fps @ 1080 (not confirmed)

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No 4k video on SD cards, it has to be output to another storage device/laptop. WTF?
No PDAF - CDAF only - this is what makes my a7 a much more usable camera - I wonder if it is for technical reasons or what.

No word on an AA filter, but being the emphasis on video, it should have one. There is a pretty nice video that shows the dynamic range in video. I don't do any video other than my son figuring out he can make himself dizzy and falling down, but this may change the equation for those who dual-purpose stills and video.

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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:49 am

This a7s is getting awfully impressive. Video ISO is good up to 409600. Not great, or with much DR, but not a whole lot of noise. Wow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgbUgNiHfXM
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:00 am

The most impressive thing to me is that they're getting full sensor readout for video- that's totally new for a full-frame sensor. Hopefully Canikon will follow shortly, as that's one thing I'm going to want in an upgrade from my 6D alongside a global shutter option and their upgraded dual-pixel AF.
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Re: Sony is getting a bit.... weird

Postposted on Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:27 am

I thought this was pretty funny. Its a leica-boss article.

The SWITCH - 7 Stages of moving from Canon to the Sony a7r.
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