Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

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Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:56 pm

I have an older Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B that has a bracket for the LGA775.

The latest Ninja 2 has a similar bracket that works for LGA775, LGA1156 and LGA1366.

I'm wondering if the LGA775 bracket on my old Ninja will work on a new Gigabyte P55A UD4P LGA1156 motherboard?

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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:05 pm

No, I'm quite sure that an LGA775-only bracket won't work on an LGA1156-only motherboard. (Some motherboards have separate LGA775 and LGA1156 compliant mounting holes.) Having said that you may be able to get just the new brackets from Scythe or an etailer and use them with your old heatsink.

*Checking the Scythe site it seems that the new bracket only works for the Ninja 2 and not the Rev B that you have (I have one of those in my WHS box too) Maybe you already checked that out since you hinted at it.
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:16 pm

Yes I checked that and wrote an email to Scythe. They said it can't be done unless you order a universal mounting kit from someone else but I cannot find one.

What I did find was an idea to mount the LGA775 clip that I have onto the Ninja but remove the plastic push pins. Then install the backplate from a Thermalright LGA1156 Bolt Thru kit and use the supplied screws and springs to securely attach the Ninja to the Thermalright backplate. The 775 spacing is 72mm and the 1156 spacing is 75mm. So maybe there is enough extra room in the 775 clip with the push pins removed to get to the 1156 backplate holes?

What these guys did is use a Thermalright LGA775 kit to get a better mount than the Ninja push pin arrangement which was not well regarded at the time, so I'm wondering if the same idea might work.

http://www.scythe-eu.com/forum/ninja-series/91-retention-kit-ninja-asus-p5k-deluxe.html#post574
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:41 pm

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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:03 pm

Update ... The solution I posted above worked well. The backplate and 4 spring loaded screws from the LGA1156 Thermalright bolt-through kit, together with the LGA775 bracket that came with the Ninja worked perfectly together. I tightened the screws by hand with a long phillips head drill bit extender until they bottomed out on the backplate through-holes.

I'm getting 28°C idle temps and 60°C temps when running the Prime95 stress test on an i7 860. My case is a P183 with four case fans with a custom fan controller reducing the fans to minimum setting.
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:06 pm

Sorry for the thread necro, but what exact kit from Thermaltake did you use? Do you have a link to it?

I'm in the same exact boat as you are, I'm thinking of going Core i5 but would like to use my dear Ninja Plus Rev B.
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:11 pm

I just want to say I have a Ninja Plus B too! :P
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:25 am

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=49075&vpn=AXP%2D140%201156BTK&manufacture=Thermalright
http://www.ncixus.com/products/49075/AXP-140%201156BTK/Thermalright/

All you need is the backplate with the four springloaded screws so make sure that is what you get.

And you need the LGA775 adapter that came with the Ninja with the push pins removed.
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:50 pm

Awesome man, thanks!
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:35 pm

Ok, I've now finished re-doing the heatsink (and the whole computer as consequence) for the fifth time, and I believe I've had enough. I'll be buying a new socket 1156 HSF in the near future.

GTVic's idea is great but unfortunately it's not likely to apply to every motherboard. I went to the hardware store and got some bolts, nuts, and washers. Every time that I assembled the whole thing, CPU temps would be very high. After unseating and reseating the HSF, from looking at the thermal paste, I always saw that it wasn't making proper contact on the dead center of the CPU. More fiddling ensued (4x over), unseating, reseating, moving, tighetning, loosening, etc, I added springs to the bolts, until I realized the actual problem: the metal piece that attaches to the bottom of the Ninja is only wide enough for S775, and the (former) push-pin holes just barely make it over the 1156 holes.

What happens is that said piece also makes contact with the CPU socket retention frame (since it's smaller than it should be), which in turn creates "lever points", so to say, on the socket's edges. Which leads to the heatsink never really being properly fitted because the applied force is uneven. Also, because of the motherboard holes not being dead center with the Ninja frame, eventually as things get tightened up the bolts will start to go on an angle, thus wasting even more pressure.

So right now, with an i5 760 at stock settings, I'm doing 65-70ºC under load (down from 85 earlier...), which is definitely very subpar. I'm tired of removing/putting the board into the case, so it's going to stay as it is for now, until I get a new HSF.

GTVic: many thanks for the idea anyway :)
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:48 am

I think your problems would all go away with the correct kit. Generic bolts and springs and washers will result in the bracket bending too far and contacting where it shouldn't.

Some points to condsider:

- Scythe tech support told me it would work with the right kit
- If you do the math the difference is only 2.12mm moving out at 45°
- All sockets should be identical, Intel specs
- Scythe makes a newer version of the same HS that works with both sockets
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:34 pm

My logical half of the brain says that you're probably right and I should try to get that bolt kit (very hard to find here). The emotional half has already had enough of assembling/disassembling and wants to just buy a new HSF and be done with it :lol:
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:11 pm

morphine wrote:I want to just buy a new HSF and be done with it.
Noctua NH-D14 or Thermalright Venomous-X, perhaps?
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:33 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
morphine wrote:I want to just buy a new HSF and be done with it.
Noctua NH-D14 or Thermalright Venomous-X, perhaps?

Nah, those are €€€€€. Scythe is much more affordable and nearly as good. But I'm going to ring up some nearby shops to see if they can get the 1156 bolt kit. They have the 1366 stocked so it shouldn't be that difficult... I think.
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Re: Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B on LGA1156

Postposted on Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:35 pm

I just retired my Scythe Ninja Plus B and replaced it with a Coolermaster Hyper 212. It was considerably easier to install and comes with a bolt-through setup. I've also attached the fan that came with my Ninja using the brackets that come with the Hyper 212 for a push-pull setup.

The result is still quiet enough and cools far better. Overall I'm pleased with this fairly economical HSF.
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