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DPete27 wrote:I've moved it there.This thread should probably be in the Overclocking, Tweaking, & Cooling section.
MadManOriginal wrote:You should also realize that a 200MHZ speed difference out of over 4GHz is only 5% or less of a speed difference. You would only notice that in benchmarks or tasks that take a long time like video encoding.
sschaem wrote:If you have a G3258, where do you stand ?
Chrispy_ wrote:This!
I find if funny how people are willing to push their chips right to the raggedy edge when they're practically silent and cool running just a few percent slower.
4.6GHz at OMGVoltage with all fans on full speed
4.4GHz at stock voltage in near-silence.
Dariens007 wrote:i just ordered my g3258 with a asrock z97 formula OC motherboard
DPete27 wrote:Dariens007 wrote:i just ordered my g3258 with a asrock z97 formula OC motherboard
Strapping a $60 - $75 CPU to a $220 mobo seems a bit contradictory.
Chrispy_ wrote:I don't buy fancy motherboards; What's the appeal - Better onboard sound?
I want my motherboards to have a modern chipset and as little 3rd-party rubbish as possible, since all the problems are usually third-party NICs, third-party SATA controllers, third-party USB controllers.
nanoflower wrote:Based on all the reports I've seen on various sites asking the G3258 to do 4.4 or higher and keeping the voltage at 1.2 or lower is asking for a lot. Sure, you might get lucky and manage to win the CPU lottery but it's more likely that you will need to bump the voltage up to 1.3 or so to hit those numbers. At least that seems to be the trend.
sschaem wrote:but I would have needed to budget an after market cooler. All that heat/power and extra cost for 5% is not worth it.
I believe the G3258 tjmax is at 100c, where the core start to throttle. The highest recorded during burn in was 93c (remember I tested this system in 96F ambient)
Under gaming the highest was <85c. A third party heat sink/fan was unnecessary... Now at 1.4v and 4.8ghz, no way the stock cooler would mange.
Idle was at ~48c, 900rpm. This worked out great. At this speed the CPU cooling is pretty much silent. This also reduce thermal distances between idle and load.~50c to 85c fluctuation.
Now, I did I want the chip to idle at ~60c, but I couldn't get the fan controller to go below 900rpm .
note: This G3258 system passed all the tests, and its off my hands now.
Chrispy_ wrote:I don't buy fancy motherboards; What's the appeal - Better onboard sound?
I want my motherboards to have a modern chipset and as little 3rd-party rubbish as possible, since all the problems are usually third-party NICs, third-party SATA controllers, third-party USB controllers.
nanoflower wrote:He's not the only one to try and OC a G3258 with the stock heat sink. The OP in this thread http://www.overclock.net/t/1500524/intel-pentium-g3258-performance-and-owners-thread was doing much of his testing with the stock cooler but I think has since upgraded. That's probably the best thread on the G3258 and OCing with numerous people reporting their results using different coolers/MBs/RAM.
As for the temps I did hit the low 90s when I first started testing with my Pentium. I think it was a combination of the TIM paste being fresh and perhaps a bit too much being applied to the heat sink. Now it's staying under the low 80s during the same runs of Intel Burn Test. That's with the voltage set at 1.3 and the multiplier set at 44x for a 4.4GHz run on a MSI PC Mate MB. Though I will admit I'm leaving the cache alone as setting it to the same 44x mutiplier causes an instant crash even with a boosted voltage and I'm not willing to spend a lot of time playing around to figure out what OC level it can support since I'm not sure how much of a boost in performance it would provide.
UnfriendlyFire wrote:If there were the resources, someone could design a CPU that has only the very basic functions and let the mobo have the north/southbridge, memory controller, L2 cache, and etc.
Watch that motherboard's cost skyrocket.
Forge wrote:Ahah! I see the problem here. You fail at Overclocking 101, sorry. Simply hitting 100C and triggering throttling mechanisms does not cause a CPU to fail. HOWEVER, every 1C you rise pushes the CPU closer to the edges of it's tolerance, and increases the risk of computation errors (crashing, failing, etc). Even though you weren't at the thermal limit, you *were* hotter than any of the reviewers, since they didn't use the stock heatsink. The stock heatsink has an absurdly small mass, so a very very small thermal capacity. The CPU spiking to near 100C can quickly turn a stable OC into Prime95 errors, or turn Prime95 errors into a BSOD.
For the TL;DR, you were overclocking on the stock HSF, and nobody else was. None of the reviewers you cite used the stock cooler. I didn't use the stock cooler. I wouldn't be horribly surprised to find out that you were literally the only person ever to attempt to OC the G3258 on the stock HSF. I don't mean that as an insult, I mean it literally.