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Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:21 pm

I am very new to Linux and can not find a driver for my printer , could someone help ?
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:03 pm

ON the product's page there is a Support button on the righthand side.
That brings you to the Support Center page for that product; on this page there wil be a Downloads & Drivers tab where you can click on a Downloads from Solution Center link.
You'll ne brought to the Downloads page, wehre you select the OS.
http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=hl3170cdw_all
For Linux you'll need to pick either the RPM package (Redhat based) or DEB (Debian based) package. To know which one you'll have to either consult your distribution's documentation or take an educated guess based on its fork.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:12 pm

SonicSilicon wrote:
ON the product's page there is a Support button on the righthand side.
That brings you to the Support Center page for that product; on this page there wil be a Downloads & Drivers tab where you can click on a Downloads from Solution Center link.
You'll ne brought to the Downloads page, wehre you select the OS.
http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=hl3170cdw_all
For Linux you'll need to pick either the RPM package (Redhat based) or DEB (Debian based) package. To know which one you'll have to either consult your distribution's documentation or take an educated guess based on its fork.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution



No , I dont know which I have , I am running Linux Mint Rebecca if that helps.

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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:15 pm

Mint is based on Ubuntu, which is a Debian derivative. You need the .deb packages.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:20 pm

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Mint is based on Ubuntu, which is a Debian derivative. You need the .deb packages.



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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:38 am

'lsb_release -a", "cat /etc/os-release", or "cat /etc/*-release" will tell you exactly what you're working with.
 
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:11 am

Flatland_Spider wrote:
'lsb_release -a", "cat /etc/os-release", or "cat /etc/*-release" will tell you exactly what you're working with.

Yes, but in this context (n00b Linux user unfamiliar with the parentage of various distros, trying to figure out whether he needs to download .deb or .rpm packages) that's not the info he needs! He already knew he was running Mint...
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:19 am

I do remember struggling to get a Linux lappy talking to a networked HL-3045CN, but finally finding success using drivers and help from Brother's own site, including lots of CLI. Twas Kubuntu 14.04 LTS, so Debian all the way. The odd part is that it left two semi-identical installed printers and it took me a while to suss out which one should be default. Deleting either caused the whole thing to plotz even when the "correct" one was the only installed printer showing.

When daughter brought down the perfect test page after a long struggle, there might have been a wee dram taken in celebration. In all of my attempts to use Linux as the daily OS, printing (especially network printing) has always been the steepest cliff.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:41 am

Yes, the printer setup GUIs seem to have varying types and degrees of brain-deadness, depending on which DE you've installed. The best defense is to learn how to do it manually by going straight to the CUPS layer (either manual editing of config files, or the web admin interface on local port 631).
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:10 pm

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Yes, the printer setup GUIs seem to have varying types and degrees of brain-deadness, depending on which DE you've installed. The best defense is to learn how to do it manually by going straight to the CUPS layer (either manual editing of config files, or the web admin interface on local port 631).

Ah, but this, AFAIK, was not a CUPS install as it was a mfg-specific driver. Took me a few tries and some remedial typing lessons (way way too used to the Model M) but I made it work.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:05 pm

OS X using CUPS as it's print daemon, has made the printing situation much better. Manufacturers don't have to do much for Linux support once they have OS X support. Printing is much, much easier then it was ten years ago.

Non-TWAIN scanners are still a their own special little piece of hell, and OS X's popularity has changed that.

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Yes, but in this context (n00b Linux user unfamiliar with the parentage of various distros, trying to figure out whether he needs to download .deb or .rpm packages) that's not the info he needs! He already knew he was running Mint...


It's more continuing education, and I thought I'd throw it out there just for fun in response to SonicSilicon's post. Figuring out the distro and release is the first step in looking it up on DistroWatch (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint) or starting a Google search.
 
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:20 pm

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Flatland_Spider wrote:
'lsb_release -a", "cat /etc/os-release", or "cat /etc/*-release" will tell you exactly what you're working with.

Yes, but in this context (n00b Linux user unfamiliar with the parentage of various distros, trying to figure out whether he needs to download .deb or .rpm packages) that's not the info he needs! He already knew he was running Mint...


Yeah MAJOR n00b here when it comes to Linux , I am still trying to figure out what a distro is ..... anyways driver worked great and I am really liking the more I learn about it. :D
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:12 pm

Good Lord where is device manager ...... My two USB in the front of my case don't work any more but the ones in the back do... drivers ?
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:15 am

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Good Lord where is device manager ...... My two USB in the front of my case don't work any more but the ones in the back do... drivers ?

If they were working under Linux before it is unlikely to be drivers. USB 2 or 3? USB 2 is mature enough that compatibility issues are pretty rare. USB 3 is getting there too.

Does the problem persist after power cycling everything?

The script I posted on the recent script fun thread will tell you when USB mass storage devices appear/disappear, which may yield some clues. Doing a "tail -f /var/log/syslog" (leave it running while you plug/unplug various devices into the USB ports) will tell you if the system is seeing anything.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:57 am

tsoulier wrote:
Good Lord where is device manager ...... My two USB in the front of my case don't work any more but the ones in the back do... drivers ?


On the command line.

"lspci" will query the pci/pcie bus and report back what it finds.
"usb-devices" will show you what's going on with USB.
"dmesg" will show you what the system has been finding.
"dmidecode" will query the BIOS/UEFI to get device information.

"dmesg | grep -i usb" will show all of the USB events the system has registered.

I'm using CentOS 7, so your mileage may vary with the above commands. I think Debian distros use lshw instead of lspci. I'm not sure though.
 
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:58 am

If they are the same speed of USB (i.e. both 2.0 or both 3.0) then almost certainly not a driver issue - the USB drivers are standard (EHCI for 2.0, XHCI for 3.0) and they will work across all instances. More likely that the headers are not plugged in to the motherboard properly, disabled in the BIOS or one set is 2.0 and one is 3.0. You can see what USB the OS can see and what is plugged in with "lsusb".
 
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:42 pm

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tsoulier wrote:
Good Lord where is device manager ...... My two USB in the front of my case don't work any more but the ones in the back do... drivers ?

If they were working under Linux before it is unlikely to be drivers. USB 2 or 3? USB 2 is mature enough that compatibility issues are pretty rare. USB 3 is getting there too.

Does the problem persist after power cycling everything?

The script I posted on the recent script fun thread will tell you when USB mass storage devices appear/disappear, which may yield some clues. Doing a "tail -f /var/log/syslog" (leave it running while you plug/unplug various devices into the USB ports) will tell you if the system is seeing anything.



They worked before I installed Linux , headers are plugged in don't remember if it is 2.0 or 3.0 but here is the motherboard GA-MA78G-DS3HP.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:56 am

Also which flash player do I use ?
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:58 am

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Also which flash player do I use ?

Just install the latest Google Chrome and use that for any sites that require Flash. Adobe's support for the Flash plugin on Linux has varied over the years from half-hearted to non-existent. The upshot is, attempting to wrangle a separate flash plugin results in varying levels of pain depending on the distro. Even on distros where installing it is straightforward, you end up with an old plugin that has potential security vulnerabilities and doesn't play some newer flash content.

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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:35 pm

Standalone Flash for Linux is stuck on 11.something for the foreseeable future but will get security updates. If you want a modern version you'll need to use Google Chrome as JBI suggested. Note that it has to be Chrome and not Chromium, because the latter uses the system's Flash player.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:48 pm

Chromium was my standard browser until recently. I switched to Chrome because I got tired of seeing the "You need to upgrade to a newer version of Flash" error on so many sites.

While there are still security updates being released for 11.x, I have to wonder how much attention they are paying to addressing vulnerabilities in a timely manner given that it is many years old at this point and has a rather small (and rapidly shrinking, as people like me ditch it due to sites requiring newer versions) share of the market.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:35 pm

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Also which flash player do I use ?


Chrome's builtin Flash player works well. There is also Lightspark and Shumway, so I'm not sure how well they work.

I usually don't install anything Flash compatible in an effort to help it die.
 
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:00 pm

I don't even have Flash installed in Firefox, and I purposely turned it off in IE. In Chrome, it's click to play. Though I do have a portable copy of Chrome with nothing locked down (third party cookies allowed, Flash allowed) because of stupidly written sites I need for homework at uni. A lot of those sites demand I whitelist them for popups too. And one keeps asking me to install Shockwave and Quicktime players, though it seems to work fine without them. :roll: Shockwave... now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. I think I finally dropped it from the images I build at work because literally no one I've seen uses it anymore. (We're supposed to keep Flash and Java on there because people occasionally use them, can't install it on student machines themselves, etc.)
 
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:04 pm

I quit including Java in images a couple years ago and nobody's complained. Most of our users don't need it, and those that do tend to need a few different and specific obsolete builds. Acrobat Reader's shaped up a lot in the meantime, so the only historically-vulnerable web thingum I include these days is Flash, with codecs provided by K-Lite so certain users aren't tempted to grab random "codecs" off dodgy sites.

Somewhat back on topic, I'm impressed with how much easier it is to install Brother drivers now on common Linux distros. I've got a DCP-7065DN and a laptop running Mint 17.1; total effort expended was to d/l the driver installer and run it at the terminal, which yields working printing and scanning over the network. Two years ago I had to download the .debs and install them manually with dpkg, then do some manual configuration with a few false starts.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:40 pm

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I quit including Java in images a couple years ago and nobody's complained. Most of our users don't need it, and those that do tend to need a few different and specific obsolete builds.

Yes, isn't that infuriating? Just knowing that an old, exploit-ridden 3 year old build of Java is *intentionally* being left on PCs with Internet access gives me nightmares.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:45 am

3 years old? <yorkshire>Luxury.</yorkshire> I've got one computer running a Pearson product requiring Java 1.4 update <mumble> and a couple others needing 1.5. Our friggin' video surveillance system needs Java 6.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:36 am

Sooo what y'all are telling me is I cant use FF....
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:13 pm

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Sooo what y'all are telling me is I cant use FF....

You can use FF, but many sites require a newer version of the Flash player than the last version Adobe released for Linux (which is several years old at this point). You will need to use Chrome (which includes an integrated Flash player) for those sites.

Ubuntu and its derivatives like Mint make installation of the Flash plugin relatively painless. If it isn't installed already, all you should need to do is install the package flash-plugin-installer from the repositories.

I got tired of needing to launch Chrome and copy-paste URLs of pages that don't play nice with Flash 11.x. My solution was to just set Chrome as the default browser.
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:29 pm

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3 years old? <yorkshire>Luxury.</yorkshire> I've got one computer running a Pearson product requiring Java 1.4 update <mumble> and a couple others needing 1.5. Our friggin' video surveillance system needs Java 6.

My HP LaserJet 4050 needs an older version of Java for its config page. Newer versions seem to spend so much time fighting about security that they refuse to even try to load the page, no matter how much I lower the security settings. Fortunately, I don't really need to access this page (and I keep an outdated VM around for when I do).
 
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Re: Linux Driver For Brother 3170 CDW Printer

Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:47 pm

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Sooo what y'all are telling me is I cant use FF....

I still use Firefox on Linux (Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit), and it works great for everything but Flash. If a site really needs Flash (and a surprising number of those that ask for it don't, actually), I just open it in Chrome instead.

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