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Re: Canonical's Mir display server

Postposted on Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:34 am

For all of the polotics and Mir bashing, it was the right way to go for them. Since they are running Compiz/Unity8 they might as well finish off the stack. Mir makes their life easier for Compiz and Unity 8.

While it may not benefit the Linux community with code, they are currently one of the top distro's. I am not much of a programmer, but I imagine that if you write an application for Ubuntu using their SDK (based on a variant of Qt) then it wouldn't be much to port that to another Linux distro. That should help the community a great deal. The OS's are great, but application scarcity/popularity are what keeps people from using it.

The other major issue for Linux is drivers. While Mir is a mess with the video drivers, and things have gotten better, device manufactures still don't target Linux as a major platform. If they gain market share and consumers want it, then more drivers will be written, validated, and tested at launch rather than a months down the road.

I do wish Ubuntu would have stuck with the stuff everyone else is using. But at least they are dropping Upstart for systemd. Canonical may be polarizing and not the ideal company to gain marketshare, but I remain optimistic.
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Re: Canonical's Mir display server

Postposted on Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:08 pm

Losergamer04 wrote:For all of the polotics and Mir bashing, it was the right way to go for them. Since they are running Compiz/Unity8 they might as well finish off the stack. Mir makes their life easier for Compiz and Unity 8.

While it may not benefit the Linux community with code, they are currently one of the top distro's. I am not much of a programmer, but I imagine that if you write an application for Ubuntu using their SDK (based on a variant of Qt) then it wouldn't be much to port that to another Linux distro. That should help the community a great deal. The OS's are great, but application scarcity/popularity are what keeps people from using it.

The other major issue for Linux is drivers. While Mir is a mess with the video drivers, and things have gotten better, device manufactures still don't target Linux as a major platform. If they gain market share and consumers want it, then more drivers will be written, validated, and tested at launch rather than a months down the road.

I do wish Ubuntu would have stuck with the stuff everyone else is using. But at least they are dropping Upstart for systemd. Canonical may be polarizing and not the ideal company to gain marketshare, but I remain optimistic.

It's not so much that I'm bashing Mir. It's good for its purpose but it's just that it further validates why a lot of people don't like Canonical and Ubuntu -- their way of doing things contributes little back to the community overall because of how fractured they've become from the community. Ubuntu are great in that they've provided much needed attention and publicity to Linux. If you look at the way distros like Debian and Red Hat are developed by comparison, these benefit larger and smaller open source projects. When you develop your own display server with questionable licensing and your own desktop shell (neither of which have been adopted outside of Ubuntu), it sort of tells the community that you're not terribly interested in the community that falls outside of Ubuntu's own.
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Re: Canonical's Mir display server

Postposted on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:17 pm

I agree. I think Canonical doesn't care much about the rest of the community. But I still hope things take off for them. If things go well for Canonical maybe the rest of the community will tag along. IBM "compatible" PC's took off and IBM is no longer around in the consumer PC business, so perhaps history will repeat itself?
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Re: Canonical's Mir display server

Postposted on Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:15 am

Losergamer04 wrote:I agree. I think Canonical doesn't care much about the rest of the community. But I still hope things take off for them. If things go well for Canonical maybe the rest of the community will tag along. IBM "compatible" PC's took off and IBM is no longer around in the consumer PC business, so perhaps history will repeat itself?

I agree. I think what Ubuntu has done for Linux in terms of drawing attention is great, no one can really argue that. It's just that what Ubuntu aspires to be isn't going to last since they shun standards and convention every step of the way.
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