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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:47 pm

Me too Jeffry, hoping to add about 12k to 14k to the mix, which puts me in th 35k PPD range you'd predicted.

We may hit 100k today :o 8)

Unrelated story, I have the stomach flu this week. Today I 've eaten half bagel, 10 saltine crackers, and 1.5 servings of chicken soup... Fever hitting 102 and my neck is so sore it's not funny. The FLU SUCKS!!!

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All five of these videocards are in our home office where we work, so I may have to do something to quieten them down. Can you undervolt a card, lower FRQ, and raise the shaders to make the card.. Perhaps I will break down and add a folding node to get the heat out of the office.

Also a little concerned about the life expectancy of the GTX280. I've read other people's experiences where they get multilpe RMAs. I'm hoping they send me a GTX285 that might run cooler and last longer.
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:54 pm

I'm just hanging out for a few more minutes to see if we hit 100k today. I'm a little loopy from all the flu meds I'm taking, just fyi
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:02 am

Gerbil Jedidiah wrote:Me too Jeffry, hoping to add about 12k to 14k to the mix, which puts me in th 35k PPD range you'd predicted.

We may hit 100k today :o 8)

Unrelated story, I have the stomach flu this week. Today I 've eaten half bagel, 10 saltine crackers, and 1.5 servings of chicken soup... Fever hitting 102 and my neck is so sore it's not funny. The FLU SUCKS!!!

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All five of these videocards are in our home office where we work, so I may have to do something to quieten them down. Can you undervolt a card, lower FRQ, and raise the shaders to make the card.. Perhaps I will break down and add a folding node to get the heat out of the office.

Also a little concerned about the life expectancy of the GTX280. I've read other people's experiences where they get multilpe RMAs. I'm hoping they send me a GTX285 that might run cooler and last longer.


I concur with you Jed. The flu SUCKS the big root!! :x I hope you are feeling better soon. :D
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:09 am

And the wait was worth it! Perhaps this year we should stay away from TFrankenbot and let the other folders make a go for us as TRFrankenbot.

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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:21 am

That's a nice spike! :P If we can maintain this level as our minimum performance level, we should be on top of the TR Folding heap by Halloween :P ........................................................ if Seggy-poo does not break out of his stupor. :-?

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Postposted on Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:57 am

jeffry55 wrote:That's a nice spike! :P If we can maintain this level as our minimum performance level, we should be on top of the TR Folding heap by Halloween :P ........................................................ if Seggy-poo does not break out of his stupor. :-?

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Don't get your hopes up for today. :( I'm crunching on some real dogs at the moment. PPD is down 3k on main rig. Haven't checked wifey's.

But, on the bright side, I still have 2 GPUs to add to the fold :wink:
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:22 pm

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jeffry55 wrote:That's a nice spike! :P If we can maintain this level as our minimum performance level, we should be on top of the TR Folding heap by Halloween :P ........................................................ if Seggy-poo does not break out of his stupor. :-?

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Don't get your hopes up for today. :( I'm crunching on some real dogs at the moment. PPD is down 3k on main rig. Haven't checked wifey's.

But, on the bright side, I still have 2 GPUs to add to the fold :wink:



Excellent! *taps ends of fingers together* :D
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:04 am

I'm lovin' this new mix of WU's! :D With the 5903, 4777 & 4776 WU's, my farm PPD is up 5k!! :o :P
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Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:09 am

Aaaaaand my GTX 260 (a wimpy 192 shader version :wink: ) is rockin' a 5903 WU for 6800 PPD!!! :o :P
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:09 am

jeffry55 wrote:Aaaaaand my GTX 260 (a wimpy 192 shader version :wink: ) is rockin' a 5903 WU for 6800 PPD!!! :o :P



One of my GTX295 GPUs does about that much. I guess your higher clock speeds makes up for the lower shader count.
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:11 am

And I thought my 1400+1000ppd from my 2 SMP clients are good already. :oops: Come on Stanford, give me some A2's on my E2160 box and get it up from 1400 to somewhere higher!
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:50 am

My PPD is gonna suffer a bit, both personal and the UGN contribution...at least for awhile

Does the SMP always have like 500k steps? If it does, it's conflicting way too much with the GPU client, it should be slightly faster than this...I remember running the 6.22 with the GPU client and it was giving me 4000PPD on alternate days...

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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:41 pm

ReAp3r-G wrote:Does the SMP always have like 500k steps? If it does, it's conflicting way too much with the GPU client, it should be slightly faster than this...I remember running the 6.22 with the GPU client and it was giving me 4000PPD on alternate days...

I really don't care about how many steps. Sounds like you don't have a monitoring tool like FahMon. Install that and check what WU the SMP client is working on? Also you can monitor all your clients at once so you can tell if the GPU client production is dropping off too much.
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:58 pm

Flying Fox wrote:I really don't care about how many steps. Sounds like you don't have a monitoring tool like FahMon. Install that and check what WU the SMP client is working on? Also you can monitor all your clients at once so you can tell if the GPU client production is dropping off too much.


I do have it installed :)

It's currently working on GROMACS Core 2653...I guess from the total it is dropping somewhat, which is sad...time for an upgrade maybe? :lol:
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:05 pm

I guess referring to your previous comment, I shall just run the SMP client as a non-SMP contributor it's faster that way and has minimal impact on the GPU client...will have to wait once this thing is done which is gonna take forever :o
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:48 pm

Project 2653 takes about 20minutes per step on my E2160@3GHz, for ~1400ppd. What is your current rate of production according to FahMon?

Say if your GPU client does 4000ppd for a given WU type, what is it doing now according to FahMon? Those 2 numbers will determine if the "drop offs" are worth it.

Example:
GPU client only = 4000ppd
If GPU and SMP clients = 3700ppd+1200ppd = 4900ppd => better
If GPU and SMP clients = 3000+1000ppd = 4000ppd => break even
If GPU and SMP clients = 2500+900ppd = 3300ppd => worse, might as well stay with GPU client only, or GPU+single core client.

That is why you need to know your numbers to make a correct decision.
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:05 pm

Somehow both my clients are only giving 1200+ PPD...

I should probably say that the GPU client usually uses half my CPU cycles...kinda odd really, not sure what the usage for the NVIDIA GPU client is

4000PPD with the GPU client alone isn't at all close to my actual production :lol:, it's only an HD4670 after all...I was expecting somewhere around 2000 with both my clients up and running but that isn't the case with this new SMP and I've clocked my CPU to 3.0GHz too :-?

Well I've calculated at least 50 minutes average if I left the PC alone to do its thing for one step in the SMP client to finish...
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:04 pm

Hey Jed! How's that Striker II Motherboard working for you? Is it a fast mamajama (all short 'a' sounds)? :o We have inquiring minds and we want to know? :D

Are you fully recovered from the flu? Are you trim and lean like Lance Armstrong? I mean, without the broken collarbone. :wink:
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

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ReAp3r-G wrote:Somehow both my clients are only giving 1200+ PPD...

I should probably say that the GPU client usually uses half my CPU cycles...kinda odd really, not sure what the usage for the NVIDIA GPU client is

4000PPD with the GPU client alone isn't at all close to my actual production :lol:, it's only an HD4670 after all...I was expecting somewhere around 2000 with both my clients up and running but that isn't the case with this new SMP and I've clocked my CPU to 3.0GHz too :-?

Well I've calculated at least 50 minutes average if I left the PC alone to do its thing for one step in the SMP client to finish...

50 minutes for a 2653 WU (1760 points) work out to be 506ppd, yikes. :( If the GPU client itself is now doing 1200ppd instead of 4000ppd, then it is definitely not worth it to run both the GPU and SMP clients.
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Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:16 pm

Thing is Fox, my GPU client could NEVER do 4000PPD...EVER! It's just a puny HD4670 and I think my PPD production was less hit when the SMP client was ran without the -smp switch, altho the points gained by that is absolutely minimal in comparison...

The client running at 50% cycle usage (GPU) is sorta odd don't ya think? Shouldn't it run lower? I've got no choice but to sit this out for now...gotta wait for the SMP client to finish folding before I take the switch off...

The previous version was actually better than the current one, or it could just be because of the specific WU...
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:34 pm

Flying Fox wrote:If GPU and SMP clients = 2500+900ppd = 3300ppd


-1 for math error :lol:
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ReAp3r-G wrote:Thing is Fox, my GPU client could NEVER do 4000PPD...EVER! It's just a puny HD4670 and I think my PPD production was less hit when the SMP client was ran without the -smp switch, altho the points gained by that is absolutely minimal in comparison...

The client running at 50% cycle usage (GPU) is sorta odd don't ya think? Shouldn't it run lower? I've got no choice but to sit this out for now...gotta wait for the SMP client to finish folding before I take the switch off...

The previous version was actually better than the current one, or it could just be because of the specific WU...


I thought the most recent ATI GPU drivers cut down CPU usage to the 5-15% range? Which GPU driver are you using? :o
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ReAp3r-G wrote:Thing is Fox, my GPU client could NEVER do 4000PPD...EVER! It's just a puny HD4670 and I think my PPD production was less hit when the SMP client was ran without the -smp switch, altho the points gained by that is absolutely minimal in comparison...

The client running at 50% cycle usage (GPU) is sorta odd don't ya think? Shouldn't it run lower? I've got no choice but to sit this out for now...gotta wait for the SMP client to finish folding before I take the switch off...

The previous version was actually better than the current one, or it could just be because of the specific WU...

Then why are you throwing out the 4000ppd number? Keep FahMon up, have it watch your 2 clients, and tell me what they are doing now? Do you even know what that lone GPU client does in ppd when you run it by itself?

The GPU client takes up 1 full core so you see it as 50% overall (Task Manager oddness). I remember this topic being discussed suggesting that something on the CPU side needs to keep polling the data from the GPU or something. That's why it takes up a full core.
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I've actually mentioned it many times before Fox, that 4000PPD isn't even close to being the PPD that my system is capable of...and I thought you were using that as just an example :lol:

So anyway, my driver is the very recent one...9.3 to be precise, and no it never decreased CPU usage at all since the last few CCC and ATI driver updates for some odd reason...

Just to clarify and hopefully no more confusion after this, my GPU client COMBINED with the PS3 is ~2000PPD right now even with 3 clients running total projected PPD is still ~2000PPD...
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

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ReAp3r-G wrote:Just to clarify and hopefully no more confusion after this, my GPU client COMBINED with the PS3 is ~2000PPD right now even with 3 clients running total projected PPD is still ~2000PPD...

This basically means you are at the break-even point with the given WU mix you are working on now. If your SMP client is working on a 2653, that's not the best case scenario for the SMP client. You can get a bit more production with some other projects (collectively known as the A2 units). I don't know how the GPU WU mix is so I don't know, if you are already working on a "good WU" in your GPU client or not.

Looks like this could be a wash. In that case I would say just keep the GPU client and if you feel like it, run the CPU client in single-core mode. Make sure the 2 clients don't have the same affinity and fighting each other for cycles on one particular core.
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jeffry55 wrote:Hey Jed! How's that Striker II Motherboard working for you? Is it a fast mamajama (all short 'a' sounds)? :o We have inquiring minds and we want to know? :D

Are you fully recovered from the flu? Are you trim and lean like Lance Armstrong? I mean, without the broken collarbone. :wink:


First off, I am finally recovered from the flu. Man, that was "cleansing"... Very glad to be able to eat again :)

The striker mobo is OK. It has a lot of BIOS options. One interesting one is that I can disable cores, so I can run my quad as a single core, dual, or triple if I like... On the down side, it is very difficult to OC, and I haven't found any good tutorials yet on what I should tweak. I think this board is also not liking that I have 4 memory sticks in it. As long as I run stock it's fine though. I really think I need to get an i7 setup with an X58 mobo. Still resisting that temptation for the moment.

I just got a tracking # on my GTX280. I should get it back this week!

In the meantime I have fired up my SMP client again and am playing with the priorities to see if I can get it to play nice with the GPU clients. These 240 shader GPUs just take more CPU time than the G92 GPUs do... Right now my videocard is doing 13k PPD and my SMP client is doing 1 step every 12 minutes, so it seems like they're behaving. I raised the GPU core priorities to "normal". That seems to have done the trick.
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:09 pm

Righty-o Fox! :)

Will get this done by Friday or Thursday evening at least...it's gonna get UGN 1760 points last i checked and it seems to be on schedule as well so no worries there, I might just keep the SMP client active...we'll see if the next few are as bad as this one 8)

Well something is better than nothing no? LONG LIVE UGN! :lol:

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Oh Jed, if you're reading this, should messing about the priorities mess up the client that much?

I mean I've left my GPU and SMP client at their recommended/default settings...so the only other way to change priorities like you said back in the other thread was to mess about in the Task Manager correct? :)

And do you have any idea why my GPU client is taking so much CPU cycles, more so than it should?
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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

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ReAp3r-G wrote:Oh Jed, if you're reading this, should messing about the priorities mess up the client that much?

I mean I've left my GPU and SMP client at their recommended/default settings...so the only other way to change priorities like you said back in the other thread was to mess about in the Task Manager correct? :)

And do you have any idea why my GPU client is taking so much CPU cycles, more so than it should?


Yep Task Manager is where you want to tweak your priorities. I'd consider upping the SMP client to "normal", maybe one less than that. Then, set the GPU client's affinity so it only uses one core. Let us know how that works.

I don't know why your GPU client is taking up the CPU cycles so much. I know you're on 9.3 of the AMD drivers, but refresh my memory on your Operating system and which GPU client you are running.

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Re: UnitedGerbilNation's drive to the Top

Postposted on Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:47 pm

Glad you are back on the up side Jed. The flu sucks the big root for sure! :x

I have been feeling the hunger for an upgrade also, but the I7 processors & MBs are a little pricy. Plus having to change the memory to DDR3 is another cost for the upgrade. Unless you are already running DDR3 memory in your main rig. :o I am going to wait a while. My rig is still cool. 8)
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jeffry55 wrote:I have been feeling the hunger for an upgrade also, but the I7 processors & MBs are a little pricy. Plus having to change the memory to DDR3 is another cost for the upgrade. Unless you are already running DDR3 memory in your main rig. :o I am going to wait a while. My rig is still cool. 8)


I'd have to buy everything (CPU, mobo, and RAM), but I figure I could sell my existing CPU, mobo, and ram for at least $300, which would offset the costs some. DDR3 isn't that expensive nowadays. I can get 6GB of DDR3 1600 for what I paid for 4GB DDR2 800 not too long ago (OK a year, but still, not that long)
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