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New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:22 pm
by notfred
9 February 09: Make Windows Share writeable. Support -smp 8 option. Remove unitinfo.txt from backup (can be giant). Update busybox, glibc and kernel.
Treat it very much as alpha release though, It's taken me literally 2 months to get the new busybox, glibc and kernel to work. I think it's working but don't guarantee it
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:56 pm
by Patonb
Curses..... I just spent all day setting up ubuntu, and samba in vmware, as I lost another wu that was almost done!
Oh well, thanks a bunch.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:30 am
by kiaas
Awesome. DOes it still need NX bit? I have a few 1ghz P3s I might be able to setup, and if I can get my hands on a board supporting tualatins, maybe a 1.3ghz p3 or 2
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:19 am
by notfred
I'm not sure if it needs NX bit or not, all the PCs I have support it.
It's probably not worth folding on something as old as a PIII, the cost of the electricity per point would make it cheaper to buy a more modern setup.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:26 pm
by jeffry55
Hi Norfred! First let me say thanks again for all the work you do for TEam TR. You are super-duper!
I have a silly question, and please, feel free to mock me if necessary.
Do I need to download anything besides your zip file such as VM player to use your new Virtual Machine application and start folding?
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:29 pm
by Patonb
You need a vmplayer.. also d/l from the same spot.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:46 pm
by Shinare
You are saying to treat it very much like an alpha, so should I wait a little longer since I am pretty much a "set-it and forget-it" kinda guy?
The PXE version I am running seems to be doing fine for my c2d's. Should I not fix what aint broke?
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:47 am
by jeffry55
Can I run this on a machine that is folding with the GPU2 client? Do I need to install Ubuntu after installing the VM PLayer?
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:01 am
by Patonb
nOPE.. Notfreds is a linux os and folding setup in one.
D/l the vmplayer, install and then load up the folding vm file notfred made.
Then go to the webpage it makes... and set your team and username.. I like to reboot it using the webpage, than sit back and let er run
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:28 am
by notfred
Yup, what they^ said.
It's only CPU folding and the aim is to make it the highest CPU points possible on a system, it's pretty lean and mean. My slogan for it is "It boots, it folds". When Stanford supports GPU folding on Linux then I'll add GPU folding.
If anyone has got success stories on this version, please let me know and everyone else here as well so we can be sure it works. All I know is it works for me, but I did make a lot of changes so it might not work for everyone.
I plan to do some CPU affinity work to see if I can increase the PPD even further.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:20 pm
by jeffry55
notfred wrote:Yup, what they^ said.
It's only CPU folding and the aim is to make it the highest CPU points possible on a system, it's pretty lean and mean. My slogan for it is "It boots, it folds". When Stanford supports GPU folding on Linux then I'll add GPU folding.
If anyone has got success stories on this version, please let me know and everyone else here as well so we can be sure it works. All I know is it works for me, but I did make a lot of changes so it might not work for everyone.
I plan to do some CPU affinity work to see if I can increase the PPD even further.
Hi NotFred,
Thanks for answering my questions. However, I still have questions. I am running windows XP 32 bit on my folding nodes. All my nodes are running the GPU client. If, I install VM plaper, and your stuff, isn't the Vitural environment separate from the XP environment and they don't conflict? Do I install a linux distro to run your stuff?
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:18 pm
by Flying Fox
jeffry55 wrote:Thanks for answering my questions. However, I still have questions. I am running windows XP 32 bit on my folding nodes. All my nodes are running the GPU client. If, I install VM plaper, and your stuff, isn't the Vitural environment separate from the XP environment and they don't conflict? Do I install a linux distro to run your stuff?
Notfred's stuff contains a custom-built "miniaturized" version of Linux that just runs without user intervention (all the configuration was done when you generated the CD image).
If you are using his stuff in a VM, then you are limited to single/multi-core Linux CPU clients. For single core you can probably just run the Windows client. For SMP, you can do it with notfred's stuff. I was doing notfred's stuff before in a VM, but lately the monster file problem basically made it very unstable for me. If you have the disk space you are better off just run a full Linux install in a VM and run the SMP client there (planning on doing that on my next scheduled reinstall of everything around my place).
The basic idea for "diskless" was to have a barebones build with no HDD but an optical/usb drive, you boot it up and it starts folding. Nothing more, nothing less. It actually makes little sense if you have a HDD anyway.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:33 pm
by jeffry55
Flying Fox wrote:jeffry55 wrote:Thanks for answering my questions. However, I still have questions. I am running windows XP 32 bit on my folding nodes. All my nodes are running the GPU client. If, I install VM plaper, and your stuff, isn't the Vitural environment separate from the XP environment and they don't conflict? Do I install a linux distro to run your stuff?
Notfred's stuff contains a custom-built "miniaturized" version of Linux that just runs without user intervention (all the configuration was done when you generated the CD image).
If you are using his stuff in a VM, then you are limited to single/multi-core Linux CPU clients. For single core you can probably just run the Windows client. For SMP, you can do it with notfred's stuff. I was doing notfred's stuff before in a VM, but lately the monster file problem basically made it very unstable for me. If you have the disk space you are better off just run a full Linux install in a VM and run the SMP client there (planning on doing that on my next scheduled reinstall of everything around my place).
The basic idea for "diskless" was to have a barebones build with no HDD but an optical/usb drive, you boot it up and it starts folding. Nothing more, nothing less. It actually makes little sense if you have a HDD anyway.
Thanks Flying Fox!
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:52 pm
by notfred
Flying Fox wrote:The basic idea for "diskless" was to have a barebones build with no HDD but an optical/usb drive, you boot it up and it starts folding. Nothing more, nothing less.
Initially it was even less than that, no optical drive but network boot. You need a network card to get and send WU's, may as well use it to boot as well.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:05 pm
by Patonb
Notfreds also is setup for monitoring, and what not...
Notfreds is quite easy, i also have a ubutntu vm setup, to run. Just boot the vmware and it goes. Using a full distro has to all get run, as well as space.
The only complaint would be not able to -oneunit it.
So far the new disk is good, no issues yet, othere than you forgot to change the version date;)
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:00 pm
by notfred
Patonb wrote:The only complaint would be not able to -oneunit it.
I'll look in to setting that up, shouldn't be too hard.
Patonb wrote:So far the new disk is good, no issues yet, othere than you forgot to change the version date;)
Hmm, which date? It should show:
Diskless Folding version 090209 by Nick Reilly
If it doesn't then I think you didn't actually pick up the new version.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:48 pm
by ethomaz
Working fine here.
Thanks.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:12 pm
by ethomaz
The issue of log 5 steps of progress at same time was fixed.
WU 2669 - Before
[16:41:12] Completed 2509 out of 250001 steps (1%)
[16:59:17] Completed 5009 out of 250001 steps (2%)
[17:17:06] Completed 7509 out of 250001 steps (3%)
[17:34:17] Completed 10009 out of 250001 steps (4%)
[17:52:13] Completed 12509 out of 250001 steps (5%)
[18:10:10] Completed 15009 out of 250001 steps (6%)
[19:24:56] Completed 17509 out of 250001 steps (7%)
[19:24:56] Completed 20009 out of 250001 steps (8%)
[19:24:56] Completed 22509 out of 250001 steps (9%)
[19:24:56] Completed 25009 out of 250001 steps (10%)
[19:33:21] Completed 27509 out of 250001 steps (11%)
[20:52:27] Completed 30009 out of 250001 steps (12%)
[20:52:27] Completed 32509 out of 250001 steps (13%)
[20:52:27] Completed 35009 out of 250001 steps (14%)
[20:52:27] Completed 37509 out of 250001 steps (15%)
[20:55:14] Completed 40009 out of 250001 steps (16%)
WU 2669 - Now (new Diskless version)
[18:14:46] Completed 2510 out of 250000 steps (1%)
[18:31:20] Completed 5000 out of 250000 steps (2%)
[18:48:11] Completed 7500 out of 250000 steps (3%)
[19:04:37] Completed 10000 out of 250000 steps (4%)
[19:21:01] Completed 12500 out of 250000 steps (5%)
[19:37:44] Completed 15000 out of 250000 steps (6%)
[19:54:20] Completed 17500 out of 250000 steps (7%)
[20:10:37] Completed 20000 out of 250000 steps (8%)
[20:26:51] Completed 22500 out of 250000 steps (9%)
[20:43:45] Completed 25000 out of 250000 steps (10%)
[21:00:31] Completed 27500 out of 250000 steps (11%)
[21:17:18] Completed 30000 out of 250000 steps (12%)
[21:34:03] Completed 32500 out of 250000 steps (13%)
[21:51:01] Completed 35000 out of 250000 steps (14%)
Realy nice!!!
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:28 pm
by Patonb
Hmmm, The webpage does indeed say that...... Must have miss read it during the initial bootup in vmware window.
Seems the backup issues around still. If i reboot the disk, the backup restores all the work done upto the reboot.
So if i'm working on unit 03, a reboot causes all the data/files from 01 to 03 comes back.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:25 pm
by notfred
Found the issue, so
15 February 09: Clean up backup work directory when running under VM.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:51 pm
by Patonb
Excellent.
You're quick.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:44 pm
by notfred
It depends, last version took 3 months
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:52 am
by Patonb
Just blame the Buses.....
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:52 pm
by Patonb
Okay.......
Just went to poweroff the vmware using the login, and poweroff and reboot didn't do anything, for both the 08 release and 15th release...
Anyone else get this?
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:08 pm
by notfred
Need to "poweroff -f" from the login, similarly "reboot -f". Without the "-f" flag they just signal the shutdown scripts to begin shutting down, only there are no shutdown scripts. It doesn't really make any difference if you do "poweroff -f" or hit the VM poweroff button, there's no state to save beyond the backups that are already happening periodically.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:19 pm
by Patonb
Ah.
Thanks.. My linux knowledge sucks... I think it had hung as well..
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:57 am
by slugbug
How much ram does this version use? The last version I used was set to 600mb and I experienced out of memory errors and had to up it to 1GB. Not sure why though because my Ubuntu 8.04 x64 VMWare setups only need 512mb.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:19 pm
by Flying Fox
slugbug wrote:How much ram does this version use? The last version I used was set to 600mb and I experienced out of memory errors and had to up it to 1GB. Not sure why though because my Ubuntu 8.04 x64 VMWare setups only need 512mb.
Some of the RAM is used for the "ramdisk", that's why in the case of the oversized log files it will bust the limit. Your regular Ubuntu VM has a proper "drive" in it right? I think that's where I need to go now too, a real Ubuntu VM.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:32 pm
by Patonb
The new version is set back to 640.. I boosted mine to 960, for the big units.
I've setup a real Ubuntu as well, took me forever to setup the samba so as to use fahmon........ The fred brought this out the next day.
Planetamd has a great and easy guide how to, but this disk is still the easiest way.
Re: New Notfred diskless version out
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:03 pm
by Flying Fox
Patonb wrote:The new version is set back to 640.. I boosted mine to 960, for the big units.
I've setup a real Ubuntu as well, took me forever to setup the samba so as to use fahmon........ The fred brought this out the next day.
Planetamd has a great and easy guide how to, but this disk is still the easiest way.
Odd, I used the Ubuntu GUI tools and I have a file share up very quick. I'll be trying again soon so I will update.