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JustAnEngineer wrote:I don't know about "worth putting into," but the Phenom II 955 Black Edition is a comparative bargain.
Synchromesh wrote:Yeah, this rocks. I'll probably just get an X6 down the road rather than upgrading the entire system again.
just brew it! wrote:Synchromesh wrote:Yeah, this rocks. I'll probably just get an X6 down the road rather than upgrading the entire system again.
BIOS support may be an issue; none of the X6 chips are on the M3A78-CM supported CPU list. Which is odd, since they are supported on the M3A78-EM (which is a very similar board).
mghong wrote:Not with this latest twist, especially for those who bought AM3 boards thinking they can put the shiny new Bulldozer CPUs in them. But this is the tech business no one should be under any delusions that this is not going to happen.This AMD plan actually helping alot of people with better CPU power Without lossing alot of money ..
mghong wrote:Same principle applies. If you need a box you need a box. Use the computer to the fullest. If you must care about upgrade, then buy the cheapest AM2+ (reuse your DDR2 if you have them) or AM3 board that you can find. By the time you want to think about AM3+, pass it on to a separate build (for yourself or friends/family) or sell it to help fund the new build.I also kind of confuse right now either to get a AM3 board with existing AM3 CPU or wait till the new AM3+ board come out..
Flying Fox wrote:mghong wrote:Not with this latest twist, especially for those who bought AM3 boards thinking they can put the shiny new Bulldozer CPUs in them. But this is the tech business no one should be under any delusions that this is not going to happen.This AMD plan actually helping alot of people with better CPU power Without lossing alot of money ..mghong wrote:Same principle applies. If you need a box you need a box. Use the computer to the fullest. If you must care about upgrade, then buy the cheapest AM2+ (reuse your DDR2 if you have them) or AM3 board that you can find. By the time you want to think about AM3+, pass it on to a separate build (for yourself or friends/family) or sell it to help fund the new build.I also kind of confuse right now either to get a AM3 board with existing AM3 CPU or wait till the new AM3+ board come out..
mghong wrote:WD VelociRaptor for OS disk...
morphine wrote:mghong wrote:WD VelociRaptor for OS disk...
Why, with SSDs becoming cheaper every day? The Velociraptor, as good as it is, seems like a Very Poor Idea in this day and age.
just brew it! wrote:Synchromesh wrote:Yeah, this rocks. I'll probably just get an X6 down the road rather than upgrading the entire system again.
BIOS support may be an issue; none of the X6 chips are on the M3A78-CM supported CPU list. Which is odd, since they are supported on the M3A78-EM (which is a very similar board).
Chaseme wrote:Is this the one: http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10668396 (I assume there's only one 945...). The upgrade you did is exactly what I'd like to do, so if this is the CPU is the site just wrong showing it as AM3?
Chaseme wrote:Ah nice, I didn't know this! I will check into my mobo for more details then!
Edit: So my board seems to support most new AM3 CPUs. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/produc ... id=2814#ov
I'm pretty impressed for this low end low cost 2yr old board!
just brew it! wrote:Chaseme wrote:Ah nice, I didn't know this! I will check into my mobo for more details then!
Edit: So my board seems to support most new AM3 CPUs. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/produc ... id=2814#ov
I'm pretty impressed for this low end low cost 2yr old board!
Yup, ditto here. The only "gotcha" for the M3A78-CM boards I've got seems to be the 6-core AM3 CPUs (and that may yet change with a future BIOS update). The M3A78-CM was a low-cost board too; it was nominally aimed at the corporate desktop market. But it had a feature set which made it a pretty good fit for a budget "power user" desktop system (or even a server-on-the-cheap) as well -- 4 DIMM slots (with real ECC capability and a maximum RAM capacity of 8GB), 6 SATA ports, and on-board DVI. That's why I own two of them myself (and recommended it to friends and co-workers until Asus discontinued it).
just brew it! wrote:Yup, ditto here. The only "gotcha" for the M3A78-CM boards I've got seems to be the 6-core AM3 CPUs (and that may yet change with a future BIOS update). The M3A78-CM was a low-cost board too; it was nominally aimed at the corporate desktop market. But it had a feature set which made it a pretty good fit for a budget "power user" desktop system (or even a server-on-the-cheap) as well -- 4 DIMM slots (with real ECC capability and a maximum RAM capacity of 8GB), 6 SATA ports, and on-board DVI. That's why I own two of them myself (and recommended it to friends and co-workers until Asus discontinued it).
just brew it! wrote:Holy crap... and my old M2A-VM HDMI supports Phenom II quads with a beta BIOS flash? I thought Socket AM2 wasn't compatible with Phenom II (that you needed at least Socket AM2+)...?
Interesting. (And pretty cool...)
FuturePastNow wrote:just brew it! wrote:Holy crap... and my old M2A-VM HDMI supports Phenom II quads with a beta BIOS flash? I thought Socket AM2 wasn't compatible with Phenom II (that you needed at least Socket AM2+)...?
Interesting. (And pretty cool...)
AM2 (non-plus) does not support HyperTransport 3.0 or the split power planes used by Phenom II. So you're limited to HT2.0 and it can't put the CPU cores and the IMC to sleep separately. That's the only difference between AM2 and AM2+ that I know of.
vvas wrote:the processors that actually require the split power planes will not work on the AM2 (non-plus) boards. So in practice, the best processor you can put on them is the 945; the 955/965/970 won't work, and neither will the Thubans. A friend of mine also did this recently by the way: he bought a Phenom II X4 945 and put it on his Asus M2N-SLI (AM2), replacing his old Phenom X4 9850. Works pretty sweet he says. I'd do the same with my M2N-E but I'm broke, so I asked him to sell his 945 to me when he upgrades to Bulldozer next year. :^)
flip-mode wrote:vvas wrote:the processors that actually require the split power planes will not work on the AM2 (non-plus) boards. So in practice, the best processor you can put on them is the 945; the 955/965/970 won't work, and neither will the Thubans.
What about the Athlon II X4s? I imagine all of those will work, yes? I find that option a particularly interesting one in older AM2 boards.
that has pretty much the suckiest south bridge ever.
yuhong wrote:that has pretty much the suckiest south bridge ever.
Well, it sucked less then the southbridge before that (clue: that southbridge was released long before the AMD/ATI acquisition), which was so bad that when Uli had a better southbridge, most motherboards switched to that one. And just before the AMD/ATI acquisition, NVIDIA bought Uli which caused uncertainty about that southbridge, as NVIDIA had a competing chipset.