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Corrado wrote:When you install it, there are checkboxes for everything so you can either install or not install them. I use Live Mail, Photo Gallery, Messenger and I used the Blog Writer stuff once or twice (but I don't blog). The programs are fairly high quality, and I really like them.
Its not crapware in the sense of toolbars and coupon printers etc. They're all useful programs to people that would use them. Its like saying Office installs crapware because you don't use PowerPoint, OneNote, Access or Groove. You only wanted Word and Excel, so only install those things. The other programs are fabulous, IF YOU NEED THEM. Just that most people don't.
mph_Ragnarok wrote:It's not crapware. it's just good stuff you don't use.
MS is way too smart to put out crapware when it's almost 2011.
Geez, any retard in marketing would know by now that crapware ruins brand equity.
TheEmrys wrote:Except for that stupid Bing toolbar when I install Java updates. Every freaking update.
mph_Ragnarok wrote:It's not crapware. it's just good stuff you don't use.
MS is way too smart to put out crapware when it's almost 2011.
Geez, any retard in marketing would know by now that crapware ruins brand equity.
mph_Ragnarok wrote:Geez, any retard in marketing would know by now that crapware ruins brand equity.
just brew it! wrote:IMO the "Well, everyone else is doing it too!" defense just doesn't wash.
just brew it! wrote:IMO the "Well, everyone else is doing it too!" defense just doesn't wash.
Sargent Duck wrote:... If so, that's Apple making Microsoft look good!
just brew it! wrote:mph_Ragnarok wrote:Geez, any retard in marketing would know by now that crapware ruins brand equity.
I think you're giving the retards in marketing way too much credit. If what you're saying was really true, then pre-built PCs from major OEMs wouldn't come with so much crapware and trialware preloaded on them.
Corrado wrote:Silverlight is just a plugin.
Thrashdog wrote:just brew it! wrote:mph_Ragnarok wrote:Geez, any retard in marketing would know by now that crapware ruins brand equity.
I think you're giving the retards in marketing way too much credit. If what you're saying was really true, then pre-built PCs from major OEMs wouldn't come with so much crapware and trialware preloaded on them.
And not just the consumer stuff, it seems. I was working a temp job this summer where I was responsible for prepping laptops for field teams, and a number of those laptops were brand-new Latitudes and Precisions from Dell. The first thing to come off those was WLE, and the second was Roxio's awful CD burning software. Not to mention the bloated, redundant, non-functional system-management suites that most of the OEMs insist on having. Granted, it's not as bad as the consumer PCs still are, but I'd have expected better with a laptop intended for business users.
mikeymike wrote:Another personal favourite for crapware of the century are these music collection management database setups, Sony has one on theirs that requires a couple of services and MS SQL DE on there as well.
mikeymike wrote:Corrado wrote:Silverlight is just a plugin.
I wish people would read what I wrote - WLE enables Microsoft Update, which causes quite a bit of startup slow-down and extra memory usage, at least it does on XP, and I'm fairly sure it does on Vista/7 too. From what I've seen, the only thing out of WLE that gets updated by Microsoft Update is Silverlight. A 300MB update process for the sake of a browser plug-in. Thank you, no.
Usacomp2k3 wrote:mikeymike wrote:Corrado wrote:Silverlight is just a plugin.
I wish people would read what I wrote - WLE enables Microsoft Update, which causes quite a bit of startup slow-down and extra memory usage, at least it does on XP, and I'm fairly sure it does on Vista/7 too. From what I've seen, the only thing out of WLE that gets updated by Microsoft Update is Silverlight. A 300MB update process for the sake of a browser plug-in. Thank you, no.
Heaven forbid people want to keep their machines reliable and secure I know of 2 computers that had the CPU bug in XP, but that got fixed with a patch that rolled out via Windows Updates. Have had 0 problems with Vista or Win7.
axeman wrote:Why is .NET 4.0 an "optional update"?
axeman wrote:but if MS update is hogging resources on XP, the voices in my head tell me MS is doing it on purpose to push people towards upgrading.
You sound like one of the old school autoexec.bat/config.sys tweakers back in the QEMM days, trying to move as much as possible to High Memory to create more room in the MS-DOS 640KB.
Having plenty of RAM is a bad excuse for using it unnecessarily.
zqw wrote:Mike or others, could you briefly explain the details? It's not very google-able.
How do I measure mem use for Microsoft update? It runs under svchost, not it's own process?
How do I disable?
How do I manually get these updates later? Any reccomendation how often?
This may be just what the doc ordered for the old Athlon and Celeron boxes.
axeman wrote:Default install of Windows 7 is clean, default install of Live Essentials, crapfest. Thumbs up!