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Flying Fox wrote:Voldenuit wrote:Does this really affect the speed of things like transitions, apps loading and such? I am not a fan of people keep zoning in on the CPU. Symbian does not really need that high clocked CPU in order to function smoothly. If you want to play games you would be doing it on a different phone with better game selections anyways?
Voldenuit wrote:Depends on what "high end compact" you have in mind. I think it still has ways to go to match the S90/S95/LX3/LX5 level.The camera quality is great (it's as good as a high end compact if you search on flickr), but alas, the interface is as antiquated as the OS.
Voldenuit wrote:Actually I think this is as much fault with Nokia as the unwashed (internets) media. Due to a lack of a true flagship, the N8 unfortunately got pushed to the wrong comparison bracket, but the pricing and positioning of the device is clearly mid-high end and multimedia-focused, not the "superphone" type smartphone. When you read comments saying "this flagship sucks", or "it should use MeeGo", you can clearly tell that the blogosphere does not really get it.Will be sitting this out a bit longer. I think Nokia is marketing the phone wrong. It's not a 'smartphone', it's a 'camera phone' that can run some apps (GPS, graphing calcs, geotagging etc). So rather than comparing it to Android and iOS, something like Panasonic's upcoming 'Lumix phones' might be a better comparison.
Flying Fox wrote:Voldenuit wrote:Depends on what "high end compact" you have in mind. I think it still has ways to go to match the S90/S95/LX3/LX5 level.The camera quality is great (it's as good as a high end compact if you search on flickr), but alas, the interface is as antiquated as the OS.
pikaporeon wrote:I do three things primarily with my phone: read my email, fool around on twitter, and surf the net in situations not condusive to busting out a laptop.
pikaporeon wrote:Went with the Captivate, the three week wait time for an iPhone 4 combined with Swype sold me.
This phone is sexier than sex in use.
The Swamp wrote:pikaporeon wrote:It sounds like no one really knows what's going on, and Samsung and AT&T are playing dumb about it.
pikaporeon wrote:Went with the Captivate, the three week wait time for an iPhone 4 combined with Swype sold me.
This phone is sexier than sex in use.
Voldenuit wrote:The Swamp wrote:pikaporeon wrote:It sounds like no one really knows what's going on, and Samsung and AT&T are playing dumb about it.
On the grounds of the power down issues, shoddy build quality and flaky GPS, I advised my GF not to get a Samsung Galaxy derivative - Captivate, Focus, Fascinate, etc. (she wasn't going to anyway since she'd already been through 3 dead Blackjacks and had an extremely poor opinion of the brand).
So she went and got... a Motorola Bravo .
AT&T's Android selection really sucks donkey balls .
The Swamp wrote:I really wanted to try one, but I need a phone that just plain works. The phone is no good to me if it shuts down and I cannot get calls.
Voldenuit wrote:The downside of the Focus is that it has all of the Galaxy S drawbacks (flimsy build, reliability issues, not sure if they've fixed the GPS issues) without the key selling point of the Galaxy S (the 1 GHz Hummingbird CPU and PowerVR 540 GPU).
I'd wait for microsoft to relax the hardware requirements of their WP7 phones. Right now, they have specified a 'minimum' CPU spec in the form of the 1 GHz Qualcomm, but they haven't allowed manufacturers to use newer or more powerful CPUs to differentiate their phones... yet. The WP7 phones rank at the very bottom of the smartphone pack in Rightware Browsermark and Sunspider Javascript tests, and while some of that may be due to the in-built browser, a newer CPU would let them fight back in that regard.
Voldenuit wrote:Microsoft is being even more restrictive than Apple (!) in exposing their functionality to app developers (no VoIP, no 3rd party multitasking, etc), and with the drawbacks of the WP7 platform (no copy & paste, no mountable storage, compatibility problems with 3rd party microSD cards - and let's not forget that they 'brick' every microSD card inserted in them, compatible or not, no multitasking, poor landscape support), they're definitely not my first pick for a smartphone right now. MS really needs to open up WP7 to developers and handset makers if there is to be any real progress in their platform, and their first gen phones are painfully first gen products. It's possible that future software patches will improve the performance and usability of the WP7 phones like Google did with the Nexus One, but that's yet to be seen.
Hellsbellboy wrote:As for bugs, I'm sure there are, there's also bugs in iOS 4 and Android 2.2, my wife hasn't run across any bugs that are catastrophic, or even annoying. The only problem she has seen is sometimes an app won't download, so she'll have to try and 'install' the app again. I also don't see the phone as being flimsy as it's built solid, while it is light, I definitely don't see it as being flimsy compared to an iPhone 4 or Nexus One. She hasn't experienced any random reboots or any reliability issues. While I'm sure some people have such issues, these types of issues plague all smartphones, as you can pick any smartphone and find issues with them.
Hellsbellboy wrote:I don't understand what exactly you are saying here, while they have stated a minimum CPU spec, there are no upper limits in terms of hardware that can be used.
While some people are having issues with 3rd party microSD cards, it's certainly not everyone that is experiencing issues. Here a list of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834144 SD cards that are compatible. As for bugs, I'm sure there are, there's also bugs in iOS 4 and Android 2.2, my wife hasn't run across any bugs that are catastrophic, or even annoying. The only problem she has seen is sometimes an app won't download, so she'll have to try and 'install' the app again. I also don't see the phone as being flimsy as it's built solid, while it is light, I definitely don't see it as being flimsy compared to an iPhone 4 or Nexus One. She hasn't experienced any random reboots or any reliability issues. While I'm sure some people have such issues, these types of issues plague all smartphones, as you can pick any smartphone and find issues with them.
Voldenuit wrote:I read somewhere about they did not intend the cards to be user-accessible. The fact that they can put cards of different sizes may have been a (still boneheaded) idea of letting the carriers differentiate with other phones.While some people are having issues with 3rd party microSD cards, it's certainly not everyone that is experiencing issues. Here a list of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834144 SD cards that are compatible. As for bugs, I'm sure there are, there's also bugs in iOS 4 and Android 2.2, my wife hasn't run across any bugs that are catastrophic, or even annoying. The only problem she has seen is sometimes an app won't download, so she'll have to try and 'install' the app again. I also don't see the phone as being flimsy as it's built solid, while it is light, I definitely don't see it as being flimsy compared to an iPhone 4 or Nexus One. She hasn't experienced any random reboots or any reliability issues. While I'm sure some people have such issues, these types of issues plague all smartphones, as you can pick any smartphone and find issues with them.
The limitation of WP7 with microSD cards is actually more severe. Basically, a phone that bricks any microSD card you put in it and renders it unusable with other devices is unacceptable. If they really wanted to give users flash storage for apps and data, they should have sprung for the cost of more onboard NAND. Especially since there is no way to control what goes into the phone flash and what spills over into the much slower SD card. In addition to not making cards mountable/hot-swappable, this is a big bonehead manoeuvre on Microsoft's part, and reason enough for me to drop the platform.
Flying Fox wrote:I read somewhere about they did not intend the cards to be user-accessible. The fact that they can put cards of different sizes may have been a (still boneheaded) idea of letting the carriers differentiate with other phones.