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Meadows wrote:Does the game feature voice acting yet? I yarred this back when it came out and haven't gotten past the second zone, it was extremely demoralising.
emorgoch wrote:Does the DLC still have the same ugly DRM that it originally had? Can't remember all the details off hand, but I recall that there was something about it that drove me away. I'll just go with the original game if it does (not like I have time to play it right now anyways )
emorgoch wrote:Then again, not having one probably wouldn't have allowed ya indulging in all these gaming pleasures =), yeah life is unfair!Having a job sucks...
emorgoch wrote:Dang. Didn't realize this was from yesterday. Oh well. Not like I still have RIFT, Crysis 2, and Civ V to finish, along with SC2 achievement hunts (2 more levels on brutal plus the 8 hour raid night), Defense Grid, Mafia 2, Just Cause 2...
Having a job sucks...
emorgoch wrote:Some quick web research has re-affirmed my discontent about the DLC. The original Borderlands, when distributed on Steam, only used Steamworks as it's DRM mechanism. However, the following two DLCs that were released used SecureROM, including a 5 activation limit, and patched that into the original game. The DRM on the third DLC is unclear, but looks to be a less obtrusive version of SecureROM, though I don't know how it interacts with the first 2 (i.e. if it removes all the activation limits, or leaves what was already there in place).
Stargazer wrote:emorgoch wrote:Some quick web research has re-affirmed my discontent about the DLC. The original Borderlands, when distributed on Steam, only used Steamworks as it's DRM mechanism. However, the following two DLCs that were released used SecureROM, including a 5 activation limit, and patched that into the original game. The DRM on the third DLC is unclear, but looks to be a less obtrusive version of SecureROM, though I don't know how it interacts with the first 2 (i.e. if it removes all the activation limits, or leaves what was already there in place).
Are you sure about this?
The Steam pages for The Zombie Island of Dr. Ned and Mad Moxxi (two of the DLC) clearly state: "3rd-party DRM: SecuROM™ 5 machine activation limit ", but I can find no mention of this on the pages for "plain" Borderlands, Borderlands GOTY, The Secret Armory of General Knoxx or Claptrap's Robot Revolution.
Unless they're mistaken, I'd take this to mean that SecuROM is only included in those two DLCs. This is a bit weird since GOTY *includes* those two DLCs though. Has SecuROM been turned off in that case? If not, they're sort of hiding "important" information about the GOTY edition.
cass wrote:Stargazer wrote:emorgoch wrote:Some quick web research has re-affirmed my discontent about the DLC. The original Borderlands, when distributed on Steam, only used Steamworks as it's DRM mechanism. However, the following two DLCs that were released used SecureROM, including a 5 activation limit, and patched that into the original game. The DRM on the third DLC is unclear, but looks to be a less obtrusive version of SecureROM, though I don't know how it interacts with the first 2 (i.e. if it removes all the activation limits, or leaves what was already there in place).
Are you sure about this?
The Steam pages for The Zombie Island of Dr. Ned and Mad Moxxi (two of the DLC) clearly state: "3rd-party DRM: SecuROM™ 5 machine activation limit ", but I can find no mention of this on the pages for "plain" Borderlands, Borderlands GOTY, The Secret Armory of General Knoxx or Claptrap's Robot Revolution.
Unless they're mistaken, I'd take this to mean that SecuROM is only included in those two DLCs. This is a bit weird since GOTY *includes* those two DLCs though. Has SecuROM been turned off in that case? If not, they're sort of hiding "important" information about the GOTY edition.
Quit your whining. (partially kidding)
Stargazer wrote:Only partially? In what way am I "whining"? I don't remember saying anything along the lines of "I wouldn't touch SecuROM with a 5.25" pole!".
Stargazer wrote:Only partially? In what way am I "whining"? I don't remember saying anything along the lines of "I wouldn't touch SecuROM with a 5.25" pole!".
In my experience, Steam has been pretty good in clearly indicating which games *are* using SecuROM by saying so on that game's information page. In this case, two of the DLC that are included in the GOTY edition are marked as using SecuROM, while the GOTY edition itself is not. This would seem to indicate that either those DLC lost SecuROM when they were added to the GOTY edition, or that the information for the GOTY edition is incomplete. I would like to know which of those alternatives is true.
cass wrote:Stargazer wrote:Only partially? In what way am I "whining"? I don't remember saying anything along the lines of "I wouldn't touch SecuROM with a 5.25" pole!".
In my experience, Steam has been pretty good in clearly indicating which games *are* using SecuROM by saying so on that game's information page. In this case, two of the DLC that are included in the GOTY edition are marked as using SecuROM, while the GOTY edition itself is not. This would seem to indicate that either those DLC lost SecuROM when they were added to the GOTY edition, or that the information for the GOTY edition is incomplete. I would like to know which of those alternatives is true.
http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/sh ... ostcount=4
When you can install the damn thing 10,000 or more times and have it on five concurrent installs, Why is the DRM even an issue? To me it seems you are making an enormous deal out of something that can't possibly cause you a problem if you are trying to legitimately play the game.
In any event the above link is from gearbox explaining what you want so bad to know.
cass wrote:When you can install the damn thing 10,000 or more times and have it on five concurrent installs, Why is the DRM even an issue? To me it seems you are making an enormous deal out of something that can't possibly cause you a problem if you are trying to legitimately play the game.
cass wrote:http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=1988143&postcount=4
When you can install the damn thing 10,000 or more times and have it on five concurrent installs, Why is the DRM even an issue? To me it seems you are making an enormous deal out of something that can't possibly cause you a problem if you are trying to legitimately play the game.
In any event the above link is from gearbox explaining what you want so bad to know.
emorgoch wrote:Some quick web research has re-affirmed my discontent about the DLC. The original Borderlands, when distributed on Steam, only used Steamworks as it's DRM mechanism. However, the following two DLCs that were released used SecureROM, including a 5 activation limit, and patched that into the original game. The DRM on the third DLC is unclear, but looks to be a less obtrusive version of SecureROM, though I don't know how it interacts with the first 2 (i.e. if it removes all the activation limits, or leaves what was already there in place).
crazybus wrote:I'm unfamiliar with how Securom activation limits work. What happens if your hard drive dies or you forget to deactivate before a reinstall? Do you then lose an activation?
Meadows wrote:Does the game feature voice acting yet? I yarred this back when it came out and haven't gotten past the second zone, it was extremely demoralising.
The first two characters you meet in the game have voice acting, then after 3 quests or something, the game falls deathly mute and forces you to read pages of text. I mean we're talking about a Diablo clone with a focus on action - reading text? The original Diablo (circa 1996) didn't make you read text! Ridiculous.
I had a moment of "ohgosh, must buy before it's too late" but then I remembered the above, and started wondering why I would even buy this.
Ryu Connor wrote:Borderlands and the base install of Borderlands GoTY in both Retail and Steam form does not have Securom.
Retail versions of:
The Zombie Island of Dr. Zed
Mad Moxxi's Underdome Riot
The Secret Armory of General Knoxx
Claptrap's New Robot Revolution
All use Securom. This includes the version of the DLC included with the Retail copy of Borderland GoTY.
Steam versions of:
The Zombie Island of Dr. Zed (1)
Mad Moxxi's Underdome Riot (2)
The Secret Armory of General Knoxx (3)
Claptrap's New Robot Revolution (4)
DLC 1 & 2 use Securom. DLC 3 & 4 do not. This includes the Steam copy of Borderlands GoTY.
emorgoch wrote:Is there any way to avoid SecuROM if I buy the GOTY edition off Steam, or will it be automatically included and run because all the DLC is there?
Ryu Connor wrote:Meadows wrote:Does the game feature voice acting yet? I yarred this back when it came out and haven't gotten past the second zone, it was extremely demoralising.
The first two characters you meet in the game have voice acting, then after 3 quests or something, the game falls deathly mute and forces you to read pages of text. I mean we're talking about a Diablo clone with a focus on action - reading text? The original Diablo (circa 1996) didn't make you read text! Ridiculous.
I had a moment of "ohgosh, must buy before it's too late" but then I remembered the above, and started wondering why I would even buy this.
It has always had voice acting. Your yarrrr version was damaged goods.
Meadows wrote:No it wasn't. I vividly remember checking online whether it was as you say, but the game shipped with a defect.
No way in hell I would pay for such crap, and I'm not taking this deal either if they haven't fixed it.
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game ... ds/review/
"What voice acting exists does the job just fine, though Borderlands would have benefited from a lot more of it, as most quests are given to players through text windows without any actual speech, including most of the plot missions, and this technique feels extremely dated as a storytelling device."
Meadows wrote:Does the game feature voice acting yet?
Meadows wrote:Does the game feature voice acting yet for every single line of text?
emorgoch wrote:You seem to contradict yourself here Ryu. You state right at the top that GOTY does NOT have SecuROM, but then you say that it does when you break down retail and Steam.
NM. Read it once more (for the 4th time), and it's a little clearer now. Is there any way to avoid SecuROM if I buy the GOTY edition off Steam, or will it be automatically included and run because all the DLC is there?