Personal computing discussed
thegleek wrote:I am in the opposite position. I bought it (i think via steam), but i do NOT want it anymore. i wanna sell it. can i?
Madman wrote:Actually, yes, that's a good question. If I can sell the Steam DX:HR version, I could just order the retail/boxed version.
Voldenuit wrote:You do not need an always-on internet connection to use Steam (unlike, say Ubisoft), you can load steam in offline mode.
Unfortunately, this means you probably won't be able to resell it.
Madman wrote:Voldenuit wrote:You do not need an always-on internet connection to use Steam (unlike, say Ubisoft), you can load steam in offline mode.
Unfortunately, this means you probably won't be able to resell it.
I'm not worried about reselling, I'm not planning to. I just want hassle free experience.
Off-line mode still disables staying with older patch versions, requires Steam stuff on PC, fast Internet on install, ton of EULAs, reconfiguration on install and stuff, remembering yet another unique password, and very strong one, since it's money related. I just don't feel comfortable with that stuff. I want a retail copy so that I don't have to remember and worry about all this extra stuff that's only adding n-layers of problems without any benefits whatsoever.
pikaporeon wrote:it is of course your own decision to store financial information in Steam - there is nothing making the financial aspect required if you purchase the game on disk.
Stargazer wrote:I don't agree with Madman that having games on Steam is "without any benefits whatsoever", but there *are* also drawbacks, and some might be more concerned about this than others.
Madman wrote:Stargazer wrote:I don't agree with Madman that having games on Steam is "without any benefits whatsoever", but there *are* also drawbacks, and some might be more concerned about this than others.
All the games I brought are: pop the DVD in, autorun runs setup, asks for install key, 2 min, the game is ready for play. It really doesn't get any easier than that. Why would I want anything else?
yogibbear wrote:Skyrim is actually a good game to try out steam with if you've never used it before. I think you might realise some of your "dislikes" of steam will turn out to be things that you can switch off and/or learn to appreciate.
Madman wrote:yogibbear wrote:Skyrim is actually a good game to try out steam with if you've never used it before. I think you might realise some of your "dislikes" of steam will turn out to be things that you can switch off and/or learn to appreciate.
I have brought a game via Steam - DX:HR. I actually paid 2x the price because I'm located in Europe for it. And I can't stand the fact that the game is tied to a mercy of some dudes online. I already had troubles with Bioshock. I popped the DVD in, and it went sorry, the servers are off-line, for a day. So I had a retail DVD, I had a retail DVD key and the thing was useless.
My licence is the CD-key, that is how it should be done.
Madman wrote:When DX:HR came out, I made an exception and signed to a Steam service and brought it from Steam. So I have the game which is tied to Steam patching service, yet another online service with passwords and EULAs, and is not playable unless I have Internet connection available all times.
tanker27 wrote:Madman wrote:When DX:HR came out, I made an exception and signed to a Steam service and brought it from Steam. So I have the game which is tied to Steam patching service, yet another online service with passwords and EULAs, and is not playable unless I have Internet connection available all times.
I am certainly glad to see that people are still perpetuating this myth without doing an inkling of research. Heck even Google the dang phrase! ?falls off soapbox.
Firestarter wrote:Get something like Keepass
Firestarter wrote:store your password database on Dropbox and change all your passwords for great justice!
Madman wrote:Stargazer wrote:I don't agree with Madman that having games on Steam is "without any benefits whatsoever", but there *are* also drawbacks, and some might be more concerned about this than others.
All the games I brought are: pop the DVD in, autorun runs setup, asks for install key, 2 min, the game is ready for play. It really doesn't get any easier than that. Why would I want anything else?
yogibbear wrote:Bioshock's problem is the crappy Securom authentication check. That was BS. I raged all over 2k Liz about that kerfuffle.
Madman wrote:Ok, try to install the game on a laptop, while travelling on a train.
Mentawl wrote:Madman wrote:Ok, try to install the game on a laptop, while travelling on a train.
That's the most bizarrely limited scenario I've ever heard of.
TurtlePerson2 wrote:Agreed. If this is the reason that you don't like Steam (because it limits your gaming options during rail travel), then you probably don't have a very strong case.
Mentawl wrote:Madman wrote:Ok, try to install the game on a laptop, while travelling on a train.
That's the most bizarrely limited scenario I've ever heard of.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Also, retail boxes that sell games with steam are illegal. That violates the first-sale doctrine, and all it would take for this to end is one of several scenarios:
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Mentawl wrote:Madman wrote:Ok, try to install the game on a laptop, while travelling on a train.
That's the most bizarrely limited scenario I've ever heard of.
No, it's not. Some people have jobs on a train, or may have jobs that require them to travel by train. Not cool to marginalize people man, that's a legitimate issue.
Also, retail boxes that sell games with steam are illegal.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Also, retail boxes that sell games with steam are illegal. That violates the first-sale doctrine, and all it would take for this to end is one of several scenarios:
1: Lawsuit by someone who has the time and money.
2: We quit buying retail games with steam.
3: Gamestop has a fit and does both 1&2.
4: EFF or some other consumer organization steps up to the plate.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Mentawl wrote:Madman wrote:Ok, try to install the game on a laptop, while travelling on a train.
That's the most bizarrely limited scenario I've ever heard of.
No, it's not. Some people have jobs on a train, or may have jobs that require them to travel by train. Not cool to marginalize people man, that's a legitimate issue.
TurtlePerson2 wrote:First-sale doctrine essentially doesn't exist when it comes to computer software. It's all sold as a license (read any EULA). Some might argue that the license loophole doesn't actually prevent first-sale doctrine, but so far no one has actually taken it to court far enough to find out. Keep in mind that first-sale doctrine was invented before computers came to be. It didn't used to be very easy to make copies of something. This is just a good example of the law on the books not keeping up with technology.
A federal appeals court said that software makers can use shrink-wrap and click-wrap licenses to forbid the transfer or resale of their wares, an apparent gutting of the so-called first-sale doctrine.
The first-sale doctrine is an affirmative defense to copyright infringement that allows legitimate owners of copies of copyrighted works to resell those copies. That defense, the court said, is “unavailable to those who are only licensed to use their copies of copyrighted works.”