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flip-mode wrote:Game_boy wrote:The 7970 is 365mm^2. The plan can't have been for a 500mm^2+ Nvidia GPU to just match it.
I'm guessing you're not familiar with Nvidia's approach to GPUs for the last few years, which has been to make the most powerful GPUs possible and push die size to the limits. That has generally resulted in 500+ mm die sizes for Nvidia's top of the line GPU for a few generations now. So, no, Nvidia hasn't tired to have a top end GPU that matches up with AMD's top end GPU, rather Nvidia's top GPU has typically been a whole tier above AMD's top GPU.
Krogoth wrote:I love this thread.
Speculation on silicon that hasn't even reached public hands.
Can people just wait for the final product to come out?
Anyway, my take on the matter is that the days of rapid jumps in performance, features and so forth are over.
Silicon has been running out of steam and engineering difficulties involved in making more and more complex designs are catching up.
Krogoth wrote:I love this thread.
Speculation on silicon that hasn't even reached public hands.
Can people just wait for the final product to come out?
Anyway, my take on the matter is that the days of rapid jumps in performance, features and so forth are over.
Silicon has been running out of steam and engineering difficulties involved in making more and more complex designs are catching up.
MrJP wrote:Looks like the 4850 and ther "vintage" cards are going to stay in the Steam top 10 for a while longer yet.
Madman wrote:MrJP wrote:Looks like the 4850 and ther "vintage" cards are going to stay in the Steam top 10 for a while longer yet.
Wow, Steam has installed application list now? Now it's officially a spyware.
Still, the midrange is what is the most popular. Generation after generation.
Krogoth wrote:I love this thread. Speculation on silicon that hasn't even reached public hands.
Krogoth wrote:No, for the hundredth time, no. But next time I start a rumor thread I'm sure you'll show up with the same comment. Haters gonna hate when others speculate.I love this thread. Speculation on silicon that hasn't even reached public hands. Can people just wait for the final product to come out?
And after criticizing you join in, but only to copy/paste the same thing you've been saying for the last three yearsAnyway, my take on the matter is that the days of rapid jumps in performance, features and so forth are over. Silicon has been running out of steam and engineering difficulties involved in making more and more complex designs are catching up.
Madman wrote:I can respect that. I think GCN has brought AMD roughly up to par with Nvidia on compute, and potentially even ahead in some ways, but I'm not a programmer so I best keep my mouth shut on those topics.Whatever, if they release the cards, it might be a good time to upgrade the aging GTX260. I've long been a fan of Nvidia products, as they always release something interesting from development and API viewpoint, they have very good SDK's, new features to play with on every generation, and usually, a very good performance. Even dustbusters weren't that bad. It was the first card I could write unlimited length shaders for my projects, and not worry about looping too many times, therefore running out of instructions. And when next gen came out, all of that code just felt natural + executed a lot faster. I love how Nvidia keep innovating things, and their products have been rock solid since TNT. They are more than just FPS.
Krogoth wrote:I love this thread.
clone wrote:No worries; we're not required to reach any consensus.flip-mode wrote:thinking AMD's initial pricing was the first shot is a mistake it did nothing but undercut Nvidia at the time and I don't believe Nvidia is waving any flags, my guess is Nvidia wants pricing high for all of the reasons they pushed pricing up for in the past. back when Nvidia first took a stab at motherboard chipsets they tried to sell them for $90 a piece and it was only after every motherboard maker gave them the middle finger that they reconsidered. p.s. speculating anger in response to a weak post with no meat to it doesn't make it so, sarcasm is rarely anything more than what it was in this case..... laughter, no anger your post was a joke, no offense intended but it was just plain empty.AMD's pricing was the first domino, the first shot fired, whatever. It set the tone and the rumor is that Nvidia seems only pleased to match. The fact is that Nvidia has had buckets of problems producing hardware for the past couple of generations. Nvidia is essentially waving the white flag here and what is probably happening is that instead of launching the 500 mm sq monster they had intended to launch, they're shelving it for now and simply hiking up the price of what would have been their midrange GPU. I don't care which fanboy set I happen to ruffle.
Arclight wrote:I only glanced the thread but i didn't notice anyone talking bout this slide:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26316 ... x-680-lead
Ofc, be warned, this are supposed to be best case scenario and was posted by nvidia. Wouldn't be suprised if the card will actually lose to the 7970 in some of those games, depending on the resolution.
Arclight wrote:I only glanced the thread but i didn't notice anyone talking bout this slide:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26316 ... x-680-lead
Ofc, be warned, this are supposed to be best case scenario and was posted by nvidia. Wouldn't be suprised if the card will actually lose to the 7970 in some of those games, depending on the resolution.
DeadOfKnight wrote:If I recall correctly, AMD was also rumored to be working on a more powerful single-GPU solution "7990". If this is true and GK110 isn't to be released yet we may still see some rivalry on the high-end later this year which could lead to more aggressive pricing.
yogibbear wrote:Nice to finally see some no's. Pity the graph y-axis doesn't start at zero... so... it's actually hardly any faster.
Madman wrote:Wow, Steam has installed application list now? Now it's officially a spyware.
flip-mode wrote:yogibbear wrote:Nice to finally see some no's. Pity the graph y-axis doesn't start at zero... so... it's actually hardly any faster.
The graph factored for the HD 7970 as the 1.0 baseline. So GTX 680 looks to be between 5% and 45% faster, and about 15% faster on average. I'd say that's fairly decisive. Heck, AMD would probably slap an MSRP of $650 on that.
Game_boy wrote:flip-mode wrote:The graph factored for the HD 7970 as the 1.0 baseline. So GTX 680 looks to be between 5% and 45% faster, and about 15% faster on average. I'd say that's fairly decisive. Heck, AMD would probably slap an MSRP of $650 on that.
That's an Nvidia presentation. When has a lead in such a presentation ever been as stated (AMD or Nvidia)?
Game_boy wrote:That's an Nvidia presentation. When has a lead in such a presentation ever been as stated (AMD or Nvidia)?
flip-mode wrote:I guess I would be more surprised if GTX 680 ended up slower than 7970 on average after the rumors of Nvidia renaming it from 670 ti and the rumors of their surprise at the lower than expected performance of the 7970.
flip-mode wrote:Game_boy wrote:That's an Nvidia presentation. When has a lead in such a presentation ever been as stated (AMD or Nvidia)?
We work with what we have at the moment until the real reviews publish. What we have is a slide from Nvidia. Nvidia will probably show best case scenarios. That probably means turning on AA if it benefits them in game X, but turning it off if it benefits them in game Y, and so on. It does not seem unrealistic to expect that the GTX 680 is about 15% faster than 7970 on average on the basis of that slide, while at the same time bearing in mind that expectation and reality may diverge to greater or lesser degree when the real benchmarks are published.
I guess I would be more surprised if GTX 680 ended up slower than 7970 on average after the rumors of Nvidia renaming it from 670 ti and the rumors of their surprise at the lower than expected performance of the 7970.
clone wrote:That's what this thread was created forit's all rumor.
in the end I believe Nvidia is lying in an attempt to drag out buying choices because they have nothing and will have nothing to bring to the table for another 3 months.... it's all smoke and mirrors to me and I'll be waiting for the hard launches and real reviews anyway.