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druidcent wrote:I've got a feeling the penalty was so severe because of the efforts to cover it up, and deny that it was happening.. something like the difference between pre-meditated and accidental..
derFunkenstein wrote:I mean, as far as I'm concerned everyone has a bounty program - it's just a matter of getting caught.
Captain Ned wrote:derFunkenstein wrote:I mean, as far as I'm concerned everyone has a bounty program - it's just a matter of getting caught.
Well, feeding Marshawn Lynch a pile of Skittles after he demolishes a defense is one thing, but cash is a whole different problem.
idchafee wrote:Greg Williams never works in the NFL again. Even if they reinstate him, no one will touch him.
riviera74 wrote:I wonder how harsh the penalties will be for the players involved.
Washer wrote:I have a hard time working up some mock outrage over a "bounty" program. It's essentially what defensive players (and offensive linemen) are paid to do in the first place. Crush the opposing team. I also think it's ridiculous that Goodell or anyone in the league office should be allow to pretend they're making this decision to protect the players. The NFL is still trying desperately trying to deny the link between playing football and brain damage. Makes me sick to my stomach a bit to pretend Roger Goodell is a good guy.
5150 wrote:Paying a player to intentionally hurt another player is not ok. If this was just paying bonuses for sacks, put it in the contract that way.
Washer wrote:5150 wrote:Paying a player to intentionally hurt another player is not ok. If this was just paying bonuses for sacks, put it in the contract that way.
So, you have a fundamental problem with football?
Football at all levels is inherently dangerous. Professional football players are by definition paid to hurt other players. "Intentional" or not, when you ram in to another person with all your might you are hurting them. Maybe it isn't immediately obvious, like with a knee tear, but the damage has been done. There's mountains of existing evidence showing this link. Just search "former players sue NFL" to see how the league is "taking care" of its former players. I find the league's actions with regard to concussions and long term brain damage to be FAR MORE dangerous than running a bounty program.
Mock outrage. People upset over this because the the league office told them to be outraged. It just wants to set an example. Defy Goodell and pay the price. That's the lesson here.
Yeats wrote:Here's what it boils down to: the NFL told the Saints to do something. The Saints not only failed to obey the boss, they lied to him about it. Punishment warranted. Everything else is extraneous.
Washer wrote:5150 wrote:Paying a player to intentionally hurt another player is not ok. If this was just paying bonuses for sacks, put it in the contract that way.
So, you have a fundamental problem with football?
Football at all levels is inherently dangerous. Professional football players are by definition paid to hurt other players. "Intentional" or not, when you ram in to another person with all your might you are hurting them. Maybe it isn't immediately obvious, like with a knee tear, but the damage has been done. There's mountains of existing evidence showing this link. Just search "former players sue NFL" to see how the league is "taking care" of its former players. I find the league's actions with regard to concussions and long term brain damage to be FAR MORE dangerous than running a bounty program.
Mock outrage. People upset over this because the the league office told them to be outraged. It just wants to set an example. Defy Goodell and pay the price. That's the lesson here.
Yeats wrote:The NFL's callous and reprehensible behavior toward previous-gen players has nothing to do with the sanctions against the Saints.
Here's what it boils down to: the NFL told the Saints to do something. The Saints not only failed to obey the boss, they lied to him about it. Punishment warranted. Everything else is extraneous.
druidcent wrote:I agree with you that football is inherently dangerous, but it's relatively controlled, and has a well defined ruleset for when violence is allowed. Piledriving a QB into the dirt after he's handed off the ball (and not even involved with the play) or doing a high-low after he's thrown is a completely different story than trying to make the play. That's what the issue with the bounty system is. As a football player, you knowingly take some physical risks with your body, but that doesn't mean care shouldn't be taken to prevent excessive damage..
Washer wrote:
You do not see rules requiring more effective equipment even though it already exists. You do not see enforcement of existing rules being increased. Ever notice how many players do not properly buckle their helmets? Hell, ever notice just how many helmets pop off in a game? That's a sign of an ill fitting helmet. The most important protection on the field and no one in the league office can't even be bothered to make sure the players are using it properly!
Yeats wrote:Finally, in your rage against the treatment of players, be sure to include the NFLPA. They have not pushed for better, safer equipment. The NFLPA wants as weak of a drug testing program as possible. The NFLPA supports dirty players and tries to protect them. They have done even less than the league has for the players who retired 20+ years ago - former NFPLA head Gene Upshaw once rather famously said he didn't care about retired players because they are not his constituency.
Gregg Williams tells Saints to injure 49ers
"We've got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head," Williams said. "We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways.
"Respect comes from fear," Williams adds. "This is how you get respect in this league."